Asco Valves for a 02 SANTE

[mnovstel]

I'm fairly new member on here so I apologize for bringing up an old subject here but, I've read a few different treads on here about putting the Asco electric valves in to be able to control the ballast valves from the dash. Is this still the best way to achieve this? Or is there a better way now? What is the setup on the new nautiques?

My boat does not have the factory control valves at the dash, just the manual ball valves on the intakes. I'm looking to modify this setup so I don't have to move people around in the boat and open hatches, etc. to get the valves open/shut when we use the ballast system.

Any input would be great!

[vanislwake]

is your boat an early or late model 02?? the late models had the excaliber engine and also had 3 seperate fill pumps and 3 seperate drain pumps for the ballast, in that case the valves are completely unnessasary.

[shonuff]

For aerator pumps like you have I believe vented loop anti siphon valves are a simpler and cheaper solution. You'd have to get rid of the scoops though.

[seth]

The scoops take about 2 min to cut off with a dremel.

[obd666]

i did solenoid valves on the fill side for my pumps and have been happy with that setup. easy to do and then you just fill / empty from the dash, here is a good thread on it ...

http://www.planetnautique.com/vb3/sh...ht=ball+valves

[jaybird]

Yes probally is the best way, I helped a friend with his 04 211 and it worked great, eliminates the manual valve. I actually bought 3 for my 03 226 but sold the boat and never put them on. Paid I believe $150 each and sold two of them. I still have one remaining I would sell for $50 just to get rid of it. I will get back with the old link in a few.

[jaybird]

here is the old thread with the valve info

http://www.planetnautique.com/vb3/sh...for-T-H-Valves

[mnovstel]

jaybird pm sent.

[mnovstel]

is your boat an early or late model 02?? the late models had the excaliber engine and also had 3 seperate fill pumps and 3 seperate drain pumps for the ballast, in that case the valves are completely unnessasary.

My boat would be a late model '02 as I have the excalibur engine and have three separate fill and three drain pumps. In my experience with my boat if I leave the manual valves open I get water in the tanks when I don't want them too, which means I'm always opening hatches and moving people around in the boat to do so.

I have read a lot of the older treads on here and like the idea of having an automated system.

[mnovstel]

For aerator pumps like you have I believe vented loop anti siphon valves are a simpler and cheaper solution. You'd have to get rid of the scoops though.

Thanks I'll look into these as well.

[TRDon]

I did a full anti-siphon valve setup in my boat and have more than pleased with the results. Very cheap and less wiring and hassle involved vs using the ballast p-uppy type pumps.

The other really cheap way is to use the orbit sprinkler system valves too. http://www.google.com/products/catal...d=0CGsQ8gIwAA# you can find them at nearly any home center and are somewhere in the $10-12 range. You put the coil wires in parallel with the fill pump it is associated with, and it will automatically close when you are done filling and open when you want it to. A lot of systems are still using this setup, even in the new centurians.

If you have any questions about the anti-siphon setup, I cna get you good pictures on the setup and a detailed description

[brhanley]

If you have any questions about the anti-siphon setup, I cna get you good pictures on the setup and a detailed description[/QUOTE]

I am interested in a write up, particularly in the ski locker tank...I am going to try the valve idea in the ski locker for filling and empty and maybe in the back too

[vanislwake]

My boat would be a late model '02 as I have the excalibur engine and have three separate fill and three drain pumps. In my experience with my boat if I leave the manual valves open I get water in the tanks when I don't want them too, which means I'm always opening hatches and moving people around in the boat to do so.

I have read a lot of the older treads on here and like the idea of having an automated system.

You shouldn't have any scoops on those thru hulls then to avoid unwanted filling and being able to leave your ball valves open is simple and cheap you really don't need vented loops just a waste of money just creat a raised loop by running new fill hose from the pumps up as high as you can then turn back down and in to the tank. This is exactly how most factory systems using aerators are plumbed line Malibu for example.

[TRDon]

You shouldn't have any scoops on those thru hulls then to avoid unwanted filling and being able to leave your ball valves open is simple and cheap you really don't need vented loops just a waste of money just creat a raised loop by running new fill hose from the pumps up as high as you can then turn back down and in to the tank. This is exactly how most factory systems using aerators are plumbed line Malibu for example.

No, the malibus use the anti-siphon loops. I know for fact that what you propose does not work because I did a lot of experimenting with my ballast before I found what worked. I did exactly as you say and water still forced its way in. Without breaking the water column via anti-siphon loop, it would fill it nearly as fast as keeping the scoops on the bottom. As soon as I installed the anti-siphon loops in the high part of my loop, the self filling problems went away.

I did 3 different configurations for ballast on my boat before coming to the conclusion that if you dont want to use the ball valves or cable valves or electric valves to keep unwanted water out, you have to yse the antisiphon loops. In the end, even after the money I spent on all new hose, clamps, unused check valves and fittings, new pumps, I still spent a fraction of what it would have cost to buy 3 ballast puppies and install a system using those, and that was my goal. My system also fills my rear 750 in less than 10 minutes. It fills my factory center tank in 4 which is 350 pounds.

If there is interest, perhaps I will do a install post on it. Obviously it is all in and working now, but I think I could get the point across.

[vanislwake]

No, the malibus use the anti-siphon loops. I know for fact that what you propose does not work because I did a lot of experimenting with my ballast before I found what worked. I did exactly as you say and water still forced its way in. Without breaking the water column via anti-siphon loop, it would fill it nearly as fast as keeping the scoops on the bottom. As soon as I installed the anti-siphon loops in the high part of my loop, the self filling problems went away.

I did 3 different configurations for ballast on my boat before coming to the conclusion that if you dont want to use the ball valves or cable valves or electric valves to keep unwanted water out, you have to yse the antisiphon loops. In the end, even after the money I spent on all new hose, clamps, unused check valves and fittings, new pumps, I still spent a fraction of what it would have cost to buy 3 ballast puppies and install a system using those, and that was my goal. My system also fills my rear 750 in less than 10 minutes. It fills my factory center tank in 4 which is 350 pounds.

If there is interest, perhaps I will do a install post on it. Obviously it is all in and working now, but I think I could get the point across.

Well I've owned 5 Malibus an NONE of them had vented loops they just run the fill hose up then back down! I've also done custom installs where I drilled holes added thru hulls plumbed in tsunami 1200s ran hose up and back down to top of bags and never had any unwanted filling, so I rest my case

I'm also plumbing my center tank and two front bags in my nautique with aerators this exact way , using Johnson's for my rears.