220 vs 230

[01skinautiqueGT40]

[quote="tdc_worm"]i agree with you on touchy-ness. my 220 has 140 hrs on it and it is touchy. what we have learned is that as soon as the rider pulls on the rope, the side he is approaching cleans up, just like if moved extra weight to that side. i also keep a 50lb lead weight by the drivers seat to balance passenger weight as needed.

i disagree with you on the power issue. i have driven new 210s and 220s both w/ and w/o the zr6. there is no replacement for displacement, and you get a whopping 14 more cubic inches of it w/ the zr6 vs the excal. additionally, the torque curves for the two engines are very similar, w/ the zr6 having a slight advantage at higher rpms where they would be more beneficial to barefooters than boarders.

if you prop a boat for the task at hand, then you will not have a power issue. if you supercharge it, then things start to get interesting. can we request this for 2009?

http://www.gm.com/explore/technology...LSA_Marine.pdf

540 hp and 540 ft lbs of torque from a bored and stroked small block is yummy!



i would have to agree again on the touchiness, but i own a ski nautique, acceleration is very different from a wakeboard boat

540 horses and premium fuel isnt a good mix, with premium being 3.70 a gallon, im not too sure about that bro

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1989 Ski Nautique 2001
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[jonfo]

the comparison here was between 220 and 230, not between 220 and SN, and you wont find a difference besides the 230 weighs 400lbs more than 220.

[Laketexoma]

540/540 That sounds like a very nice combo to me. I would love to see what a 230 could do with that. Heck lets stick one in a Ski, now that would be a fun ride!!! You can NEVER have to much POWER!!!!!

[BSBell]

Do you guys think a 230 with the 343hp engine and power prop will be plenty of power for the average boarder and maybe a 185lb barefooter? (A.K.A. 38-40mph)

[BSBell]

I have a 07 220 TE 330EX with a low pitched prop (I forget what the prop model is) and it gets up on plane quick with stock ballast + 1600lbs + 5 people. It handles perfectly, and the cruise holds it at 22 with no issues. I am happy with the 330 fuel economy. For example I started with a full tank and went out riding 3 times this year for a total of 8 riders taking about a average of 20 minute run each. After that the boat would only hold ~13 gallons of gas which equals about ~1.6gallons per 20 minute pull including the idling and docking etc. Grant it this was in calm water and shorter spring time sets with fewer falls, but still not too bad. Maybe the ZR6 is even more efficient, not sure. I think there is only a $2500 difference between 330 and ZR6.

Comparing to my previous 211, the 220 has a huge wake, even with the stock ballast. I could not get the 211 wake to be nearly as large as the 220 and still have it be drivable. I will point out that the 220 is more finicky than the 211 for side to side weighting, and if the rider pulls super hard coming in it will wash out the wake on the opposite side. I think this may be due to the same reason it has a huge wake -the 220 has a lot of freeboard given the 96" width. I would guess that the 230 with its 100" width doesn’t have this problem as much.

I am surprised to hear the comment above about a 220 being slow out of the hole, but I am quite sure that is prop related because it is all just a calculation of horsepower, weight, and prop pitch to determine time to get to speed. I dont see the 230 having a more efficient hull shape to help it get up to speed, if anything it will be slower with 400lbs more dry weight. As far as shaking through double ups I don’t know how this could be on any model. My old 89SN, 95 210, 05 211, and my current 220 are/were all super solid through double ups.

the 220 with the ZR-6 isnt very balanced out weight wise. the boat isnt shaky through double ups is very solid but a rough ride is what im trying to say, the ZR-6 is a 6'000 option above the excalibur and is a big difference but any 220 ive ever driven will NOT move out of the hole. The ZR-6 is all aluminum so is much lighter, but will give you problems along the hours

CC Owned
1978 Ski Tique
1989 Ski Nautique 2001
1996 Ski Nautique 196
1999 Super Air Nautique (Python Powered)
2001 Ski Nautique 196 25Th Anniversary Current Boat PP Digital Pro (All The Goodies)

Tow Rigs,
2002 Ford F-250 Lariat 4X4 (Lifted)
2007 Chevrolet Suburban LTZ 4X4

I am not sure what 220s you have been driving but the shop boat were I work was a 220 that was completely stock team edition and we never had a problem. In fact we were all impressed with the way it performed coming out of the hull.

the 220 ive driven for 50 + hors is a 06 TE with the ZR-6, 95 hours, the wkae is very touchy, if you lean to one side or distribute the wake unevenly the boats wake will curl badly on one side

http://www.paulseatonsales.com/

Do you work for Paul Seaton?

[Laketexoma]

my 230 with the power prop and zr6 will do 42 WOT, so I would think the excal would be 2-3 mph slower, I could be wrong though. I guess it would also have to do with how much weight you have in the boat.

[BSBell]

my 230 with the power prop and zr6 will do 42 WOT, so I would think the excal would be 2-3 mph slower, I could be wrong though. I guess it would also have to do with how much weight you have in the boat.

Well I guess my fat dad wont be barefooting Yellow_Flash_Colorz:

[01skinautiqueGT40]

I have a 07 220 TE 330EX with a low pitched prop (I forget what the prop model is) and it gets up on plane quick with stock ballast + 1600lbs + 5 people. It handles perfectly, and the cruise holds it at 22 with no issues. I am happy with the 330 fuel economy. For example I started with a full tank and went out riding 3 times this year for a total of 8 riders taking about a average of 20 minute run each. After that the boat would only hold ~13 gallons of gas which equals about ~1.6gallons per 20 minute pull including the idling and docking etc. Grant it this was in calm water and shorter spring time sets with fewer falls, but still not too bad. Maybe the ZR6 is even more efficient, not sure. I think there is only a $2500 difference between 330 and ZR6.

Comparing to my previous 211, the 220 has a huge wake, even with the stock ballast. I could not get the 211 wake to be nearly as large as the 220 and still have it be drivable. I will point out that the 220 is more finicky than the 211 for side to side weighting, and if the rider pulls super hard coming in it will wash out the wake on the opposite side. I think this may be due to the same reason it has a huge wake -the 220 has a lot of freeboard given the 96" width. I would guess that the 230 with its 100" width doesn’t have this problem as much.

I am surprised to hear the comment above about a 220 being slow out of the hole, but I am quite sure that is prop related because it is all just a calculation of horsepower, weight, and prop pitch to determine time to get to speed. I dont see the 230 having a more efficient hull shape to help it get up to speed, if anything it will be slower with 400lbs more dry weight. As far as shaking through double ups I don’t know how this could be on any model. My old 89SN, 95 210, 05 211, and my current 220 are/were all super solid through double ups.

the 220 with the ZR-6 isnt very balanced out weight wise. the boat isnt shaky through double ups is very solid but a rough ride is what im trying to say, the ZR-6 is a 6'000 option above the excalibur and is a big difference but any 220 ive ever driven will NOT move out of the hole. The ZR-6 is all aluminum so is much lighter, but will give you problems along the hours

CC Owned
1978 Ski Tique
1989 Ski Nautique 2001
1996 Ski Nautique 196
1999 Super Air Nautique (Python Powered)
2001 Ski Nautique 196 25Th Anniversary Current Boat PP Digital Pro (All The Goodies)

Tow Rigs,
2002 Ford F-250 Lariat 4X4 (Lifted)
2007 Chevrolet Suburban LTZ 4X4

I am not sure what 220s you have been driving but the shop boat were I work was a 220 that was completely stock team edition and we never had a problem. In fact we were all impressed with the way it performed coming out of the hull.

the 220 ive driven for 50 + hors is a 06 TE with the ZR-6, 95 hours, the wkae is very touchy, if you lean to one side or distribute the wake unevenly the boats wake will curl badly on one side

http://www.paulseatonsales.com/

Do you work for Paul Seaton?

no i dont work for paul , im down here in FL, one of my buddies has one and its just a fat pig, and he wants to get rid of it because its just too touchy and not worth the gas money, it will cost 160 bucks on 87 octane and suck every drop of that 51 gallons down in a full day of boarding at 20.8 MPH


CC Owned
1978 Ski Tique
1989 Ski Nautique 2001
1996 Ski Nautique 196
1999 Super Air Nautique (Python Powered)
2001 Ski Nautique 196 25Th Anniversary Current Boat PP Digital Pro (All The Goodies)

Tow Rigs,
2002 Ford F-250 Lariat 4X4 (Lifted)
2007 Chevrolet Suburban LTZ 4X4

[01skinautiqueGT40]

Do you guys think a 230 with the 343hp engine and power prop will be plenty of power for the average boarder and maybe a 185lb barefooter? (A.K.A. 38-40mph)

I think you just might be running the boat a little too hard, you will be running ~ 5000 RPMS like that , thats SUPER hard on those engines, and the boat will start to hop at uneven weight, i dont think barefooting is gonna happen

CC Owned
1978 Ski Tique
1989 Ski Nautique 2001
1996 Ski Nautique 196
1999 Super Air Nautique (Python Powered)
2001 Ski Nautique 196 25Th Anniversary Current Boat PP Digital Pro (All The Goodies)

Tow Rigs,
2002 Ford F-250 Lariat 4X4 (Lifted)
2007 Chevrolet Suburban LTZ 4X4

[aquaholic]

BSbell I currently owm a 07 236 with the excal, i am running a acme 1433 14x14.25 which is a half inch smaller in diameter than the new power prop..... i have had 12 plus factory ballast + 1000 lbs. of lead with no problems coming out of the hole or keeping speed. hope this helps you!

[BSBell]

Do you guys think a 230 with the 343hp engine and power prop will be plenty of power for the average boarder and maybe a 185lb barefooter? (A.K.A. 38-40mph)

I think you just might be running the boat a little too hard, you will be running ~ 5000 RPMS like that , thats SUPER hard on those engines, and the boat will start to hop at uneven weight, i dont think barefooting is gonna happen

I guess that just means I'll have to buy a ski nautique then won't I.... :o

[01skinautiqueGT40]

Do you guys think a 230 with the 343hp engine and power prop will be plenty of power for the average boarder and maybe a 185lb barefooter? (A.K.A. 38-40mph)

I think you just might be running the boat a little too hard, you will be running ~ 5000 RPMS like that , thats SUPER hard on those engines, and the boat will start to hop at uneven weight, i dont think barefooting is gonna happen

I guess that just means I'll have to buy a ski nautique then won't I.... :o

haha you just might want to consider that if your going to be barefooting, lol the 230 is a **** of a lot of weight to be cruisin at 40 mph, its worth the shot

[whitlecj]

With my limited experience with zero-off, I would say it way better than perfect pass. Great system.