2003 Sante hull blisters-- advice needed.

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  • jpf1603
    • Jul 2008
    • 10



    2003 Sante hull blisters-- advice needed.

    I'll try and give a condensed version as I could probably spend 2 pages writing about it. I recently purchased a 2003 Sante from the second owner. Many of you might be aware what water blisters are, but I was not. As you can probably tell by the pictures, I thought they were actually a textured design on the hull to prevent algae growth or something, they are uniform along the water line and transom. There is one small area on the hull, but otherwise just a 6 inch line across both sides of the boat and below the swim deck.

    Turns out they are at first cosmetic, but can quickly turn into structural problems if left untreated as water can start delaminating the resin. I've owned a 1985 nautique for 12 years, left it in the water for entire seasons, with no issues. So I was surprised when I found out these were water blisters on this hull from sitting in the water. The previous owner (had it for the last 4 years) who has purchased many new nautiques from the dealership before, was also unaware of this and even returned $1,500 to me.

    I live about 10 miles down the street from the manufacturing plant and the dealership in Orlando, so I called up the dealership first, and to my surprise was told that sometimes this happens when a boat is left in the water for any extended period of time, and not a whole lot was known why some get it and some don't. I spoke with both previous owners, and was told it was not kept in the water for any longer than a few weeks at a time at most, and it was stored on a boat lift. I could not get the dealership to be of any help on why it happened or what could be done. I contacted the manufacturing headquarters and was told the same thing, sometimes you can have two identical boats in the same water, one will get it and one will not. I asked if that could possibly be an manufacturing issue then, and was told there was no way to tell. Was again told there was nothing that could be done on their end.

    To make a long story short, it's a brand new boat to me (and only a 5-year old hull), so I hate to do nothing or have a repair job done that won't last. I 've had the person who does gelcoat work for nautique give me an estimate of $5,000 to strip down, dry, and re-gelcoat, but there was no guarantee of them returning. This is what I'm leaning towards doing, but I was also told that today's bottom paint is just as good as gel-coat and half the price. I've posted a few pictures, if anyone has any suggestions on what they would do I would appreciate it. Unfortunately this may be the last nautique I buy as we have several malibu and mastercrafts that sit in the water much longer with no issues. I understand nautique is under no obligations to do anything at all, but the reason I went with one intstead of the others was they are supposed to be the best built ski boat on the market. One of the repair guys I had look at it said it looks like there could have been moister present when the original layer was applied, but that's just conjecture. Oh well, it's buyer beware, so I'm going to eat the cost and get it fixed one way or another, but I'm not exactly thrilled the way nautique handled it. Again, any thoughts or advice on how to take care of the hull would be much appreciated. Thanks.
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  • core-rider
    1,000 Post Club Member
    • Feb 2004
    • 1348

    • Huntsville, AL

    • 2003 Black SANTE

    #2
    RE: 2003 Sante hull blisters-- advice needed.

    *Edit: After doing a quick "Google" I found this... http://www.daveandangel.com/Boats/Boat_Blistering.html
    It may make how CC handled things a little more clear since your hull is out of warrenty. Again, I'm not going to make any comments about ho things were handled.

    I'm not going to say anyting about how Nautique handled your delima, but ALL filberglass/gelcoat boats will eventually get blisters if not properly protected from the water when left for extended periods of time. Gelcoat isn't a sealer, it is pourous and will absorb moisture if not allowed to sit out of water and "dry out". If your really worried about it happening again after having this repaired, have everything under the waterline painted with bottom paint like bigger boats that cannot be pulled out have. It will at least give you better protection and piece of mind from this happening again.

    Not to be an ***, but this is why you should never buy anything uninformed. If you don't know what to look for, take someone with you that does or hire an inspector. Could have saved you some money on the purchase price, or from buying the boat at all.
    Jason
    All black 2003 SANTE
    -- Southern Fried --

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    • HS
      1,000 Post Club Member
      • Oct 2007
      • 1333

      • Sammamish, WA

      • 2010 SANTE 210 (Sold)

      #3
      RE: 2003 Sante hull blisters-- advice needed.

      Has anyone seen that hull color before? I just wondered if it was repainted at some point?
      2010 Super Air Nautique 210 Team Edition

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      • jpf1603
        • Jul 2008
        • 10



        #4
        RE: 2003 Sante hull blisters-- advice needed.

        It's royal blue I believe, factory color. I've met both previous owners, the first owner happens to be owner of ski world in Orlando, many of you riders might be familiar with the the place. This boat has been maintened every 50 hours by SE CC for it's entire life, and they have the service records for it. If it was the case of it having a previous hull job, then maybe I could understand these blisters. But everything about the boat is factory. As for bringing along a marine surveyer, in hindsight that would have been smart. Unfortunately I just test drove it in the water and everything seemed fine to the untrained eye.

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        • mike-d
          • Aug 2003
          • 236



          #5
          RE: 2003 Sante hull blisters-- advice needed.

          so, these were present when you bought the boat? I have had blisters on the bottom of my boat before, but never like the size of those! I also have ridden behind Mike's boat when he had it at skiworld, so I know it didnt have it then. who had it after Mike, he must of stored it in the water for a long time?
          For your dilema, I would just get it fixed with gel coat, or sell it as is to someone who wants a 2003 sante. with gelcoat blisters.

          Mike

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          • xrichard
            Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
            • Aug 2008
            • 669

            • El Dorado Hills

            • 2023 G23

            #6
            RE: 2003 Sante hull blisters-- advice needed.

            I haven't seen blisters that bad, though I know others have suffered through it. Another good website for learning about blister issues:
            http://www.yachtsurvey.com/blisters.htm

            If I had that boat, I might try to sell it at a discount just to avoid dealing with the problem. On the other hand, if you're not planning on storing the boat in the water, you could get it fixed and the liklihood of the issue returning would be very small.
            Previous boats:
            2015 G23
            2008 SAN 210
            2002 XStar
            1995 Sport Nautique

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            • jpf1603
              • Jul 2008
              • 10



              #7
              Thanks for the advice. Just dropped the boat off today to have the gelcoat completely stripped and AME5000 resin and matching gelcoat re-applied back on, not a cheap job. Still disappointed that a 5 year old nautique hull that was kept on a lift most of it's life could do this, but I will post the completed pictures when it's done so others can see how it turned out if they ever need to get it done. Then maybe sell it and go with an X-star :shock:

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              • TRBenj
                1,000 Post Club Member
                • May 2005
                • 1681

                • NWCT


                #8
                Re: 2003 Sante hull blisters-- advice needed.

                Originally posted by jpf1603
                Unfortunately this may be the last nautique I buy as we have several malibu and mastercrafts that sit in the water much longer with no issues.
                I sympathize with your predicament- its very unfortunate that a boat that new has such severe blistering. However, you may want to do your homework next time before making such a large purchase. Not only does CC recommend bottom paint if the boat is stored in the water (which it clearly had to have been), but so does every other major boat manufacturer. None of the major ski boat companies cover blistering under warranty, because like you said its purely a cosmetic issue caused by the storage method. That being said, I have a '71 Correct Craft that was stored in the water every summer for 30+ years and it has no blisters- so there seems to be little rhyme or reason why one boat is affected and others are not. It does seem to be a very inconsistent problem that affects a very small portion of boats. You should be aware that it does affect most other brands, though- and they will all take the same stance that Correct Craft took, whether under warranty or not.

                This is a good read: Mastercraft Blistering
                1990 Ski Nautique
                NWCT

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                • DRAGON88
                  Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 529

                  • Eugene, Oregon

                  • 1999 Sport Naqutique 2005 Super Air Nautique Team Edition

                  #9
                  Re: 2003 Sante hull blisters-- advice needed.

                  Originally posted by TRBenj
                  That being said, I have a '71 Correct Craft that was stored in the water every summer for 30+ years and it has no blisters- so there seems to be little rhyme or reason why one boat is affected and others are not.
                  The Osmosis blistering is much much more likely to happen in climates where the water is warm. I can't actually remember ever reading a thread about blistering where the boat was from a colder part of the country. Most cases seem to be in Florida or at least predominantly in the south.
                  How about \"Chales\"?

                  RIP Nikolai (\'05 SANTE) 5/23/05 - 4/30/06

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                  • EarlyRiser
                    • Nov 2005
                    • 171

                    • United States of America


                    #10
                    RE: Re: 2003 Sante hull blisters-- advice needed.

                    I missed something. A person is the 3RD PURCHASER of a product that he/she knows has an issue BEFORE he/she buys it and wonders why the manufacturer will not assist with the repair (and joins this site to complain). Maybe he/she will be happier with another product. ER

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                    • TRBenj
                      1,000 Post Club Member
                      • May 2005
                      • 1681

                      • NWCT


                      #11
                      Re: 2003 Sante hull blisters-- advice needed.

                      Originally posted by DRAGON88
                      Originally posted by TRBenj
                      That being said, I have a '71 Correct Craft that was stored in the water every summer for 30+ years and it has no blisters- so there seems to be little rhyme or reason why one boat is affected and others are not.
                      The Osmosis blistering is much much more likely to happen in climates where the water is warm. I can't actually remember ever reading a thread about blistering where the boat was from a colder part of the country. Most cases seem to be in Florida or at least predominantly in the south.
                      Interesting observation. I cant say that Ive seen that many blistering cases, but some did develop on our '92 after it was 12-13 years old. It was stored in the water for 1 or 2 seasons after we first bought it (in fall '92). After that it was kept on a lift. Same lake as the '71. You may be right that temperatue has something to do with the blistering- but part of it sure seems random.
                      1990 Ski Nautique
                      NWCT

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                      • TRDon
                        Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 722

                        • MN

                        • 1985 2001 1993 Sport carb GT40 2003 SANTE Excalibur

                        #12
                        RE: Re: 2003 Sante hull blisters-- advice needed.

                        My blisters happened on wet bunks when the trailer was stored in a garage and I live in minnesota. I dont know about that warm water theory.

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                        • Quinner
                          1,000 Post Club Member
                          • Apr 2004
                          • 2246

                          • Unknown

                          • Correct Crafts

                          #13
                          RE: Re: 2003 Sante hull blisters-- advice needed.

                          Have also seen it happen in the North. When you really do think about it though, it sure sounds crazy that you cannot keep a boat in the water without running the risk of it blistering. Remember reading a post that said waxing the wetted surface can actually promote blistering? Who knows, just glad mine is on a lift.

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