Brand new 211TE but have to pay $250 for ZO update?

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  • SkiTundra
    Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
    • Jul 2008
    • 513

    • Unknown


    #16
    Few quick thoughts.

    Diag connector cables for cars (at least non-US) are about $25. They are a 16 pin to RS-232 or 16-pin to USB. I believe all EU and Asian vehicles made in the past 4 or 5 years can use either protocol and prior to that they used just RS-232. I thought US cars had begun switching to this several years ago as well.

    Dave & Shane, I am not bitching at either of you. I apologize if you thought I was

    I have 100K written down as the version on our boat according to diags. My son though thinks it might be 100J. Either way, very old software.

    If CC informed their dealers when they began including the ZO unit in the boats that the dealers needed to obtain the cable and that with the cable they could update all ZO units and that they should make sure that ZO had the latest software installed when a boat was sold then I agree that the dealer is at least partially at fault. I have no idea what efforts CC took to educate their dealers about new technology and how to update it. I assume that this is a dramatic shift from the old world where dealers had to know mechanics, fiberglass, and electrical systems.

    I still have concerns with ZO and with AWSA's decision to give them an effective monopoly however. I believe that a well designed device such as this should allow for updates using a standard cable and protocol that is ubiquitous throughout the world and is already used by millions of devices. Requiring a special cable that is this expensive and only for this application seems to me extremely short-sighted. Not just from my standpoint of being a consumer who purchased a product expecting it to work correctly and then being surprised by the extra cost, but also from the standpoint of someone who doesn't live near a dealer and must purchase the cable separately if they don't want to send their unit in to ZO and not have it's use for some time. Building on this is the issue of a software glitch requiring a re-load of software for an individual or during a tournament. If someone doesn't have the special cable they are SOL. Yes, stuff happens, and with many mechanical failures you have to wait on parts to be delivered. This is a software driven product though which is good and normally has the benefits of being able to get updates for bugs and new features and fix problems with a relead. Much of this benefit is lost though by their decision to go with a proprietary interface.

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    • SuperSquirt
      Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
      • Apr 2008
      • 534

      • Tennessee

      • 2008 SANTE 210

      #17
      Very well put by the Tundra man. But its time to quit bitching about Zero Off's business plan or your local CC's service department, because both of them are probably having a tough time right now in the economy. I am not justifying their actions, but they do what they need to do.

      So does anyone on this site want to join in and buy a cable from Zero Off? If we can get enough HONEST people, then we could split the cost maybe 10 ways($20/person) and just keep circulating the cable through the mail? Let me know if anyone is interested and I can make this happen?

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      • 2gofaster
        Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
        • May 2008
        • 671

        • Stevenson Lake-Conroe, Texas


        #18
        Another option is to find out who the Promo team owners in your area are. Much like Dave, a lot of them have the interface cable and for a beer or three would probably do the update for you.
        Shane Hill
        2014 Team 200OB
        67 '13 Prophecy

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        • ClemsonDave
          Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
          • Oct 2004
          • 659

          • Glen Allen, VA

          • Ski Nautique 200

          #19
          My how the tone of this thread changed.....

          You can make all the excuses you want, but your dealer completely misinformed you. The two of you took that and ran with it bashing ZO, CC and then me (Tundra, thank you for the apology). I am the first to admit that neither company is perfect, but they got a bad rap on this one. I'll assume we are moving on though....

          Again, you can get the upgrade for free if you send the display in. I hear their turn around time is very quick these days. They recently hired more customer service reps to help with the high demand.

          I would bet you have version J. While I suggest getting the latest, there were no big 'bugs' in J. The new versions just modified the pull and added things like the river mode. I skied version J for about a month and had no problems with it.

          If you want to get it done locally, let me know where you are located. I'll try to find someone.

          As far as the price of the cable, I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. Perfect Pass used to sell eproms ($0.75) with their upgrades for $65; what margin is that? With ZO, you are getting the cable, software and technical support. Squirt mentioned a CD costs $0.05 (actually, they provide an ftp download for the software and upgrade). That may be true, but how much did the software cost to develop? Its not like these guys sell thousands of systems. They have to make money, right?

          Getting a group together to buy the cable sounds like a great idea!
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