Buying A New Boat

**Bullet** · 08-23-2008, 02:06 PM

RE: Buying A New Boat

210---plain and simple

**HyperNaut** · 08-23-2008, 02:38 PM

RE: Buying A New Boat

Is the hydro gate really any different than lets say the TAP or the wake plate on the SUPRA and Mommba Mobius. I know the BU wedge pulls the stern down while the others basically act as a trim. With plate up its stern down and with plate down the arse is lifted up as well it can be used to trim the overall wake. Any difference other than that? I also want good storage, the 18 footer I thought had good storage and room until a season of use. I also thought the wake was pretty good until I went behind the Tige 22VE, that was a mistake. My son can back roll and 360 behind our boat but his clearance between the water is close on back rolls. He rides with about 4 other 16 - 17 year olds of the same skill level. I'd like to start having them up to our lake, less competition and more just riding. I'm thinking the wife and myself might like the surfing aspect , might be easier on our older bones. I know my son likes the sufing, looks like a good alternative on rougher days. I'm hoping to hit a spring boat show for an all around look. If'n a used one came up with low hours I would not be shy on that either but leaning towards new. I've got a buyer for my boat so no big deal there, lose a little and move on. SAN 210 plain and simple, wish it was that simple. Great boats that is for sure.

**Nautiqueman** · 08-23-2008, 03:06 PM

RE: Buying A New Boat

Until you own a Nautique and use it, you can't really appreciate the rock solid value in the boat. It will change your opinion of what real quality is all about in boats. Your experience with the family will be so improved, you won't believe it. I had a Glastron from 1982 until 1987 and went with CC and have no desire for any other brand. My current boat is a 220. PM me if you want to talk on the phone.

J · 08-23-2008, 03:15 PM

RE: Buying A New Boat

the 210 is quite a bit smaller than tige...if you plan on having a large crew you may want to go with a wide beam boat. As for the hydro gate/taps/etc. well they all do help/enhance the wake when you load your boat as per factory spec's....I think the trim tabs are really great in rough water to raise up the bow.....but if your loading up your boat with extra weight anyway...than these options become less of a concern......
If I were you I'd test as many as you can now....narrow down what you like; and buy this fall

More things to consider.....

How rough water do you travel in?
Do you trailer often? or are you leaving it in the water?
How many people will usually be in the boat?
Is wakeboarding #1 in your agenda?
Do you cruise around alot?
Which dealer near do you prefer to deal with for warranty issues?
and most important....
WHich is your wifes' favorite?

**HyperNaut** · 08-23-2008, 04:32 PM

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I'd love to be able to test more boats but thats difficult, the lake I'm at pretty much has whats listed. Personally if I did not have to weight the boat down outside of factory ballast that would be great but it seems for many across all the different sites thats not the norm. I dod agree with someon on this site that said alot of what you do behind the boat is technique. If you can back roll and 360 wake to wake with my Glastron than how much do you need?As far as the questions:
- We try to be on early and late when everyone goes in for supper to catch the flat water but sometimes mother nature does not cooperate or you need to get to the other side. So I guess hitting chop of maybe 1- 2 feet? Usually mid day we are off the water while the tubers are tearing the water up, thats where I thought surfing would come in handy.
- Right now I have moorage for when I'm at the lake, trailer it from storage to the lake and back at end of season. Boats out of the water when I'm not around. I currently have a Tahoe with a 5.3 litre and 8800# towing capacity.
- Most days 4 people but I'd like have room for 8 comfortably. Not really sure where we are going size wise at this point in time . I don't want to grow out of another boat. My Glastron says 8 but I'd be hard pressed to do that comfortably, at that point nobody can get up and move around.
- We mostly wakeboard and wake skate with a little skiing and knee boarding and when my sisters kids are out, **** tubing. I do like to pull some of the skiers at our lake some used to compete and they really like the pull of the Glastron with the O/B it has a fairly flat and soft wake. Those attributes really suck for wakeboarding.
- Do I cruise alot? not really at this point. I guess when I'm on the water we board/skate or just float sometimes just cruise the shoreling with the tunes turned up. The lake we use is only about 11 - 12 kms. long and 1 km wide but deep. My boat has never been towed to another lake, we pretty much stay where we are unless we go to competitions.
- I'm moving from a Glastron dealer so I've no experience with other dealership, but quality service and warranty support as well as being convient to get to are factors in my decision. The Moomba and BU owner seem happy with whom ever services their boats. I have no experience with the Nautique dealer ship in Edmonton other than to walk in and drool at their boats. I liked my Glastron dealer as they were small and personable
- Wife has been on this crazy Natique kick ever since Nationals, the tow boat was an SAN 230. The Nautique Rep their did a good job of convincing her. I think Nautique is the tow boat for Provincials as well so I'll probably hear more on Nautiques. I told yes they are quality boats but they do come with a hefty price tag. Sounds like the plate, taps or hydro gate isn't going to have much affect other than fine tuning and when cruising a bit.

**MikeC** · 08-23-2008, 04:36 PM

Moomba - Lower price = lower quality. If you take that thing apart and compare the quality of the vinyl, carpet, seat backs, wiring...pretty much everything, you can see how they keep the price low. I wouldn't be embarrased to ski or ride behind one - but there is a huge difference in quality.

Tige - Handles like a two ton truck, I think it does everything as well as a nice sterndrive. It's got a great interior layout but if you pull up the cushions you can see that it will trap water and debris easily.

Supra - Moomba's big brother, essentially made at the same factory. Nicer gel coat and standard equipment than the Moomba.

Nautique and Malibu - probably two of the best boats you listed. I think the Nautique wins on wake, interior design and quality, but it's close and it always comes down to personal preference. Plus anytime you have to bolt a hydrofoil (wedge) on the back of a boat to make a wake I think it's a bad idea. If you look at the design of the hydrogate, the hull is designed around the hydrogate with a tunnel leading to it, plus it's such a simple design there is really nothing to break. Malibu did little more than bolt a plate to the transom.
I almost bought a Malibu at one time, but after riding in a 4 year old Malibu then in a 10 year old Nautique, the 10 yo Nautique still felt solid and the interior looked excellent even after 10 summers sitting on an uncovered lift, I just didn't feel the same level of quality in the much newer bu. The rest as they say is history.

**HyperNaut** · 08-23-2008, 05:25 PM

It will be interesting to see over time how that moomba outback at our lake stands up.
A fellow worker just bought a decked out mobius LSV for $53 K; at that point you have absorbed the bulk of your cost, anything above that in additional expense is becoming less significant. Well worth the extra to move to another manf.? if the quality of: construction/wake/interior design/longevity is that much better; it would be for me. I agree with your point on the BU wedge design , it looks like a problem waiting to happen. They do sell lots of boats though and there are alot of happy boaters using them. I did see the pictures of the stern torn away on a BU, yikes that is scary. Tige's handle like a two ton truck? My total driving experience with the 22VE was probably 20 minutes, it definetly was not as nimble as my Glastron but then again a totally different boat in weight and size . Nautiques that much better? I know they do have the highest customer satisfaction based on the JD Power surveys. I did go to the JD site and look at the rankings, how much weight do these surveys really carry, its all based on owners responding to surveys isn't it. What if one manf. had less owners responding than say another, then the rresults are skewed. Anyone that has moved up from a Malibu, Tige or Moomba I'd like to hear from you as well. Those with the SAN210 do you wish you had gone to something bigger?

**Latonkaboarder** · 08-23-2008, 06:22 PM

I have a super air 210 and have plenty of room. My next boat will more than likely be a 210 as well. The 210 has plenty of room, handles great, best quality, and throws a very nice wake. My 08 210 is for sale on this sight. Let me know if it is one you would be interested in. Remember when buying any boat that the nautiques hold there value better than any of boat company out there in its class. I truely believe you get what you pay for, but you have to make sure you and your wife are happy with your purchase. Don't settle for something you are unsure about, it is a very large purchase and you have to make sure your family will love it for many years to come. It wouldn't hurt to ask around on some of the other chat forums and weigh out all your answers before making a decision. Good luck. http://www.planetnautique.com/index....wtopic&t=11875

**HyperNaut** · 08-23-2008, 06:49 PM

That is one nice looking boat, no offence but yellow would not be my first choice, but it really looks good on yours. My wife loves yellow by the way. Yeah I've been on other forums for sometime now mostly just reading comments, finally made my way over to this one.

**Latonkaboarder** · 08-23-2008, 07:11 PM

No offence taken. Yellow wasn't my first choice either, but when you see it on the water in person it looks amazing! The pictures don't do it justice.

**boardbaby** · 08-23-2008, 08:43 PM

Wish I could afford a new boat. My 93 Ski does the job for now! Just need to weight the (bleep) out of it! Yellow looks hot--have seen many of them out on the lake! Great choice!

**maxpower220** · 08-23-2008, 08:51 PM

CC- I think that the build quality is the highest. Over time, the Nautiques that I have been in "felt" more solid.
MC and Malibu- I believe these two boats are very close in build quality. I had a few interior issues in my Malibu, whick left me feeling like the boat interior wouldn't last 5 yrs. However, it had a superb slalom wake. I have owned 2 MCs and both were excellent boats.
Tige- I question their old build habits (still using wood floors in this century). I have a friend who has owned 2 of them. He loves the Tige wake and TAPS does work. The interiors of these boats seem nicer than the cost of the boat.
Supra- Maybe the best wake with the least amount of ballast for boarders.
Moomba- Take a look at the 09 Outback V, big change. Moomba and Supra are made in the same factory in alternating weeks. I purchased an 08 and feel that the quality of build is extremely close to my last boat (MC).
I really like Indmar engines, so that is a factor in my boat buying. I least like Mercruiser (Tige, Centurion) as a boat choice. I think that the engine/EFI system is an important aspect of the boat; more so if you plan on keeping it for a while.

Price- This is usually the point that changes buyers minds. CC,Bu, and MC sponsor many events and riders. Look at any magazine and they fill the pages with ads. That all costs money, which they pass on to you the consumer. If you compare like size boats from MC and Moomba, there may be a small difference in quality. However, there is no reason for a difference of $20,000 in MSRP. The other part of the equation is resale. CC, MC, and Bu will have much better resale in years to come (based on the trend of the past).
Always test drive and ride behind the boat you plan to buy.

Good luck

**zapada** · 08-25-2008, 11:13 AM

Definately need to drive the boats that are similar (apples to apples)! Listen as you drive and you can often times "hear" what you are buying. None of us like the price of these boats, but that is not what you need to measure. You need to measure the cost of ownership which is value depreciation plus repairs. If you buy a moomba for $40 and put $1K of repairs each year for the next 5 years, it will be worth $15 by the time you're done because nobody wants a 5-year-old moomba for fear that it's life is almost over. Your $40 moomba actually cost $30k to own. Nautiques hold their value better than any other manufacturer. I believe the first owner always absorbs the "new" value depreciation, but after that not much will change during a 5 year period. Generally speaking, you won't have to pour as much money into a CC either. Best case, buy a good used 210 or 220 with ZR-6. Most CC owners take excellent care of their boats.

Also, don't lose your focus with all the glare from the "bling" factors. 90% of the time it is crap that breaks, loses it's luster quickly, fades or is never used. Perfect example is preping for your first child. The stores sell all sorts of crap for the mother, the baby, the room, the this, the that, the everything! When it comes down to it, all you really need is milk, diapers & wipes. Most of the other crap is just that...crap...that you've waisted money and space on. Focus on the core things of a boat...the performance, reliability, durability and functionality.

My two cents.

**Ski-me** · 08-25-2008, 01:32 PM

I have lurked around a lot but thought I would at least give you an older boat buyer's perspective. I was looking to spend $15k to $20k on a used, open bow boat. The only two manufacturer's I looked at was CC and MC. The BU has increased it's quality over the years but for the price range I was at.....not a consideration.

Although I ended up with a MC, I really liked the CC but could not quite find the correct fit for me. I wanted the best open bow, slalom boat I could find. The 206 in the CC was the boat I liked but I would have had to get a newer model to get the wake I was after (I think 97+ or so for the TSC1 and 02+ for the TSC2). I also really liked the strong, Christian values of the CC. That does make a difference to me and I like to support companies like that.

My MC 205 is a 94 and was $13k with 200hrs. The condition and quality of the 14 year old great. The boat drives solid, starts immediately and has a great wake. My main point, for a 14 yr old boat, CC and MC were my only two considerations because I know they would hold up over the years much better than any other boat.

When we upgrade, I will look at the CC 206, MC 197 and BU LXi.....although the 197 feels to be the smallest up front of the 3.
Just my 2 cents.....

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