What is a good deal on a 210?

[scramison]

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7) Overall quality/features for the price---
*2000 to 2001 models have less interior room (thicker gunwale), older interior design, and single rear hatch.
*Up through 2002 models have the digital gauge issue and older dash design.

I thought the gunwale was changed in 04 to a thinner one? Or did it get thinner in 02 and again in 04?

This has helped with my decision process a lot.

I think Im leaning more towards the 02 with the GT-40 and a fiberglass deck.

The 03 only has a different dash (what is so great about it other than they work?) I suppose you know the engine hours on these boats Vs 00-02 it is hard to know the engine hours. It also has a different interior? Whats different about the interior?

[scramison]

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Gobig, I totally agree with your breakdown of +'s and -'s. I would like to add that the 3 tank ballast system was an option in 02 so effectively you can have your cake and eat it too. A 02 with gt-40, 3 piece deck, and 3-tank ballast system would also be the best year/optioned boat in my opinion. Colored decks were also available in 02-03 too if you like that.

Yea Im glad they did the Team Edition in 02. This is probably my first choice.

[scramison]

Agreed with bchelsey, a 2002 SANTE 210 with updated gauges is also a great year. Here is a boat to check out:

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/20...ue-TE-94174913

I'm not really a fan of the upholstery (no color accents, may not original) or the single axle trailer but otherwise, it looks like a good buy...

Yea I will see how willing they are to negotiate.


Does anyone have a dyno chart comparing the excalibur and the GT-40?

Or if they are dyno charts from cars with the same motors?

Since I know dyno charts are a stretch does anyone know the torque ratings of both motors?

[GoBig]

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The gunwale was trimmed in 2002. Below is another thread on this topic that talks extensively about the changes from 2002 to 2003. The '02 is a great year, it just has the older dash design, crappy gauges, and awkward stereo location. For about the same price point, you can get an '03 that has all of these things updated. But the '02 is a close 2nd to the '03. One last point, the fiberglass platform was not offered until '03. Just out of curiosity, are you leaning towards the '02 because of the GT40? I think you would be doing yourself a disservice by not checking out the EX330, it is a great motor, more power, and gas consumption over the GT40 is negligible.

http://www.planetnautique.com/index....t=2003+options

[scramison]

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The 02s did have a option for the fiberglass platform.

Here is an 02 with the fiberglass platform:
http://www.planetnautique.com/index....wtopic&t=12498

The nada average retail is 24,500 on this boat the low is 21,400. I tried talking him down and he wouldn't hear any of it. Seems a little expensive?

[bkhallpass]

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7) Overall quality/features for the price---
*2000 to 2001 models have less interior room (thicker gunwale), older interior design, and single rear hatch.
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There is absolutely no difference in quality of a 2000/2001 model, and the other years you discussed. There was a known issue in the digital guages used in the 01s.

The 01s do not have a single rear hatch.

BKH

[GoBig]

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BKH - didn't mean to insinuate that there are any quality issues with the other year boats other than the gauges. Poor choice of words. I was highlighting improvements from 2000 on up and why, in my opinion, for the price the '03 is a stand-out year. I looked at many used 2000-2004 boats and came close to buying an impeccable 2000 SAN. At the end of the day, you really cannot go wrong with a well maintained SAN from any year. They are great boats.

[GoBig]

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The 02s did have a option for the fiberglass platform.

Here is an 02 with the fiberglass platform:
http://www.planetnautique.com/index....wtopic&t=12498

Interesting, I wonder if this was an aftermarket add-on. Based on the 2002 brochure, I don't see the fiberglass platform as an available option:
http://www.correctcraftfan.com/refer...ex.asp?page=39

Also, that NADA value seems pretty low. Maybe you need to add the value of the trailer? If I could find a '02-'03 SANTE in reasonable condition for $21-24K, I would jump all over it. I would then have to explain to my wife why we now have two boats.

[scramison]

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Thats the interesting part look at the value of the 03 without trailor Vs the value of the 02 without trailor

The 02 Team Edition is 21,730 on the low and 24,800 on the average.
http://www.nadaguides.com/default.as...C&gc=mr&gtc=MR

The 03 Team Edition is 28,800 on the low and 32,890 on the average.
http://www.nadaguides.com/default.as...C&gc=mr&gtc=MR

I tried to reason why two boats that are similiar would pull such different numbers. It was obvious to me as I was shopping. On the 2000-2002 models engine hours seemed like an elusive figure. It was much more estimated by the previous owner and if there were many owners that were 'estimating' you get the point. They were estimating because the gauges had been replaced (when were they replaced with that hour meter) or they were never replaced (when estimating comes to mind). Either way most would be far better off with a gauge cluster that worked from day one.

[bkhallpass]

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Go Big - understood. BTW, you should drop by this summer if you are out on the delta.

Scramison. The guage issue just makes it easy to be less than truthful. However, with the Ford engines there is no way of checking the hours. With the Chevys, you can hook them up to the computer and determine the actual engine hours.

I wouldn't put much stock in NADA values. They seem to be closer to trade in Value than anything else. When the economy was good, NADA was routinely 7-10K under the value these boats were going for. In this economy, they seem to be 3 to 5K low. IMO, you are more likely to get a good deal from a desparate seller, who can't make a mortgage payment, than by flashing a copy of NADA. BKH

[airhuck]

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use the perfect pass to check the hours. scramison, where are you? ive toyed w/ the idea of selling my 2001 SAN. it is a beast.