196 closed bow "misses the boat" on better resale

[cotton]

Surely someone can answer why Nautique does not do as Mastercraft and Malibu does and include an open bow in the 196. If I said there are fifty 196's in the country that I would be a prospect to purchase if they had an open bow, this would probably be a conservative estimate.

P. S. I have an ad in the Boats Wanted section. Thanks.

[SNMike]

RE: 196 closed bow "misses the boat" on better res

The Ski Nautique 206 is an open bow as you probably already know. Basically a foot longer.

CC invented/pioneered the hardcore slalom ski boat, it was closed bow, and CC feels that their iconic design that changed the skiing profession forever, should and will remain unchanged when it comes to that. The 206 was their answer to your needs.

I know it may prevent you from storing it in your garage, but the pull and wake won't disappoint.

Regards!!

Mike

[NCH2oSki]

RE: 196 closed bow "misses the boat" on better res

Hard Core Slalom boats are closed bow.

[cotton]

Re: RE: 196 closed bow "misses the boat" on better

The Ski Nautique 206 is an open bow as you probably already know. Basically a foot longer.

CC invented/pioneered the hardcore slalom ski boat, it was closed bow, and CC feels that their iconic design that changed the skiing profession forever, should and will remain unchanged when it comes to that. The 206 was their answer to your needs.

I know it may prevent you from storing it in your garage, but the pull and wake won't disappoint.

Regards!!

Mike

Yea, we are looking at a couple of 206's now and a Mastercraft 205 (is that ok to say on this site?). I'm just whining about not being able to take advantage of some the beautiful 196's on the market at decent prices.

Any clear advantage to the Nautique over Mastercraft?

[j2nh]

You only have to sit in a 196 to discover why there is not an open bow version. CC achieved what many consider to be the perfect slalom wake by moving the center of gravity forward through out its continuous development.
Bottom line is an open bow 196 would have enough room for about 1 person.

[M3Fan]

You only have to sit in a 196 to discover why there is not an open bow version. CC achieved what many consider to be the perfect slalom wake by moving the center of gravity forward through out its continuous development.
Bottom line is an open bow 196 would have enough room for about 1 person.

There's also no boat on the market with a better seating position and line of sight, achievable only by having the driver so far forward in the hull. Behind the boat, all of the big three will do fine for any slalom skier, but behind the wheel the differences become obvious in my opinion.

[DanielC]

Correct Craft did make an open bow Ski Nautique (196) from 1997 to 2002. In 2003, the "SNOB" was discontinued and the 206 was introduced.
I have a 1997 Ski Nautique, and when I got it, I was, and still am on a show ski team, and one of our other members at the time had a 1997 SNOB (196).
A closed bow 1997 Ski Nautique (196) has a better wake than an open bow 1997 Ski Nautique. (196) that is why so many individual's records were beaten or made behind the TSC (1) hull.
Making a boat open bow is just another compromise that does affect the wake. I am glad that Correct Craft is choosing to make a no compromise ski boat that is the best at doing it's job, even if it is not their biggest seller any more.
A closed bow boat is lighter, but it is still stronger because of the rigidity offered by the closed bow. It also allows the engine, and driver to be moved farther forward, changing the wake characteristics, and size. It also allows a shallower prop shaft angle, which can also affect the ride attitude of the boat, and the wake.
Correct Craft is the trend setter, not the follower. Just because a "M" boat company does something dumb to get sales does not mean it should be done by Correct Craft.

[east tx skier]

I had an early 90s MC PS 205 and, in late 2007, sold it for a 1998 SN. I do not miss the rarely used bow seating, and having storage under the observer seat for two skis is not something I would give up at this point (later 205's had an opening to the under bow seating so you could fit a ski).

I liked the 205, but the slalom wake behind a 196 is night and day better.

[Nautiqueman]

Own a Nautique for a year, then you won't ask the question about M. vs Nautique. If you are hellbent on an open bow, get a the 1997-2001 or a 206. Maybe you are not demanding when it comes to a really good wake, if not, get the open bow. However, if you have not owned a closed bow, and have not gotten used to the performance of the boat and the wake it delivers the skier, then try it! I also suggest if you are going to have to cart around a crowd of people, you don't need a 206, get a V-drive and a ski and your problem is solved.

[zapada]

Over time you may find out that the storage under the bow of the closed bow 196 is more beneficial than the menial space of the open bow 196 SNOB. Also, if the ski wake is your ultimate goal, there is no question that the closed bow 196 is the finest, not to mention its dreamy drive experience. However, the 206 is definitely a more family friendly "ski" boat. IMO you're not really compromising anything because both boats are superior. Good luck with the search.

[cotton]

Own a Nautique for a year, then you won't ask the question about M. vs Nautique. If you are hellbent on an open bow, get a the 1997-2001 or a 206. Maybe you are not demanding when it comes to a really good wake, if not, get the open bow. However, if you have not owned a closed bow, and have not gotten used to the performance of the boat and the wake it delivers the skier, then try it! I also suggest if you are going to have to cart around a crowd of people, you don't need a 206, get a V-drive and a ski and your problem is solved.

I'm surprised you would recommend a V-Drive. We won't be skiing in any tournaments but do want the best wake we can get with a boat that can haul the children and their friends as well. A closed bow would work fine when we are on the small private lakes but we will also be accessing a 33,000 acre reservoir and river. Certainly the 206 has a better wake than the V-Drives???

[AirTool]

I'm surprised you would recommend a V-Drive. .....Certainly the 206 has a better wake than the V-Drives???

He said get one of each.

.....get a V-drive and a ski and your problem is solved.

[M3Fan]

Also, keep in mind that CC is the only manufacturer out there to offer a "real" closed bow these days. The closed bow Malibu Response and MC 190 are just non-cutout versions of their open bow (RLX and 197) counterparts. These closed bows do not offer the forward-shifted cabin of the 196. CB SN's have all 3 tracking fins FORWARD of the ski pylon. That's not something you'll see on any M boat.

[cotton]

I'm surprised you would recommend a V-Drive. .....Certainly the 206 has a better wake than the V-Drives???

He said get one of each.

.....get a V-drive and a ski and your problem is solved.

Aaaahhhhh, I see; money whip the problem. Let me think on that one. :grin:

[BigBald]

if your looking to haul that many folks on a lake that big...then perhaps even a 216 might be an option....???