Boat Value!

[jward]

I saw a boat for sale thread on here that got out of hand because people kept posting negative comments about the price. Everyone agreed that this was making it harder on the seller and Jeff started the thread over to the original post. On the second go around the first post was a negative comment about the price. After reading this I posted in anger and after thinking about it I wish I hadn't. There is the history, here is my rant:

We are all family through owning a Nautique. If you are wishing you did, I hope that one day you will. These boats are held at a higher standard than other boats, that is why we and other people desire to own one. If you don't agree with the price that someone is asking on a Nautique and you keep it to yourself there is no harm done. If you post a negative comment, not only are you hurting that sellers chances of selling the boat at that price, you are also hurting the resale value of your own boat.
Think about it, if everyone had to come off of their price because you (a nautique enthusiast) kept posting negative comments about prices, then you are bringing the value of all nautiques down. You are pretty much telling a first time buyer that these boats just aren't worth these prices. It only hurts YOU in the end.
If you google a certain model nautique for sale, and one on planet nautique shows up, think about how that looks, when you are bashing the price. I don't care if the seller has a boat up for sale 5K more than he paid for it. If he sells it at that price that is great for all of us. If he doesn't then he should be the one to bring the price down. Noone can say how much any of these boats are worth. The fun and memories are priceless, and I can't think of anyother way I would want to be spending free time with my friends and family.
So in closing if you see the same boat going for a cheaper price, then by all means go get that boat and quit bashing an owner for wanting more for theirs. These boats mean more to some than others. And on the same note, some people may pay more than others for their dream boat.

Thank you for listening. Sorry for the long post.
Happy Nautique Owner
Justin

[AirTool]

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Thanks jward. I agree. I've tried in the past to compliment those boats for sale. I'm still in love with the trailer jack on one of the 08's and the yellow speaker cans the one guy had. ...and several that had ballast that I wish were topless. I've even "bumped" a few posts that weren't mine. I just ran across them and sent them TTT.

I'm guilty of calling the one guy a turkey that had two photos of someone standing on his motor dog house wearing tennis shoes...but I think he brought up the issue of no lookers. I noticed a while back the thread was gone which I had recommended he start over with better photos. I'm glad Jeff deleted it.

So yes. A fair price is a closed transaction between a willing buyer and willing seller. That's how market value works. Bashing an asking price is disrespectful. If one thinks the price is too high, make a lower cash offer. Who knows? You might have a deal. If not, shut up.

[GoBig]

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Justin, thanks for posting. I completely agree. This frustrates me to no end and completely diminishes the intent of this free classified service. We have plenty of discussion forums on this site to debate boat values. The classified section is not one of those. If someone is intent on voicing their concern that an asking price is too high, send a PM to the seller and take it up privately. There is no value-add to any of us by posting this publicly.

[SkiTower]

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What a boat is worth is what someone is willing to pay for it. All the negative comments do is tell that someone who thinks the asking price is fine that it isn't.

[Nautiquehunter]

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I see your point about bashing . However I cant think of a worse way to join the family than to
get ripped by a shrewd seller . The market sets the price the more information both good and bad
that a buyer can get the more satisfied he will be with the purchase. Ethics and fairness on both sides
make a good deal for both. Should be a win win not a carefully planed con.

[bchesley]

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I sold a boat about 18 months ago with the help of this site and another, and I too received negative comments about what it was worth. I actually had to sell it for much less than I had originally advertised. I am not sure that the comments caused me to have to drop the price some, but I am sure it had some impact. I just wish people would think before they speak. I commented in both of the threads because of my past experiences trying to sell my boat.


I do totally agree with Jward.

[redelf75]

Wow it's been a long time since I've posted on this site...I wonder if anyone still remembers me - probably not with any fondness if they do.

I'm replying today because this topic hit a sensitive note with me. In short, I'm in favor of free speech but never see the point in Bashing...Criticism has it's virtues but Bashing, by definition, is rude and unproductive.

Since I am no longer a regular on the site, I'm not in a position to comment on the ethics of the site as a whole, but I left because I was tired of all the insults and rude comments that many people were throwing around, my way included. Everything was a pissing contest and long threads became more like a locker room than a "family" of Nautique enthusiasts.

My point is that it only now seems appropriate to argue against "Bashing" only because there is a financial loss involved. Whereas, I believe that the Bashing is the enemy, not that fact that someone thinks someone else's boat is priced too high. Auto critics are constantly questioning the value of expensive cars, but it's perfectly accepted because of how they do it. In fact, it's their job to do it, and as Planet Nautique is considered a highly regarded source for knowledgably criticism, one could argue that its members also have the responsibility of doing so. But how they do it is what counts.

And for those that are wondering, I am still a Nautique Enthusiast and owner and will someday post my boat for sale on Planet. It will be expensive and I hope someone will see the value in it as much as I do.

OK, I'm taking cover…let the bashing begin!

[Nautiquehunter]

Maybe the answer is to do like the MC forum they don't allow ANY comments about MC boats unless
they are complementary .You also cant even mention any other brand .The classifieds don't have any way
to comment good or bad. I don't want that kind of control and manipulation of the forum.
When I read posts good and bad it only gives me opinions of others and maybe some facts its up to me
to form my own opinion.

[chris196]

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I sold a boat about 18 months ago with the help of this site and another, and I too received negative comments about what it was worth. I actually had to sell it for much less than I had originally advertised. I am not sure that the comments caused me to have to drop the price some, but I am sure it had some impact. I just wish people would think before they speak. I commented in both of the threads because of my past experiences trying to sell my boat.


I do totally agree with Jward.

I would think the lower than asking selling price is indicative of an over priced boat. Blaming it on comments made in the thread is being a little short sighted I think.
It's like blaming the media for the recession because they reported on mortgage foreclosures and credit swaps.
Don't shoot the messenger, especially if the message is correct.

BTW, for the record, I have never made a comment about price on someone's selling thread.

[bchesley]

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I wonder if you would still make that comment if it was your boat. My dealer helped me price the boat. I just happened to be selling it at the end of the season also.

No reason to bicker over it but it has an effect on selling a boat when someone plants a seed that it might be overpriced.

[SkiTower]

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It's like blaming the media for the recession because they reported on mortgage foreclosures and credit swaps.

I do blame the media for most of the mess this country is in. Their completely biased opinion causes people to develop opinions they normally wouldn't and do things they normally wouldn't.

As for pricing comments, any potential buyer that sees comments that the price should be lower wouldn't pay asking price. Therefore you ARE lowering the value of Nautiques everywhere.

[TravisFling]

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I agree the media is to blame for a lot of this. If every news story read "Look how low rates are, there's tons of inventory, if you shop you can get an amazing deal on a great house, so start saving money up and get in the game!" I think it would a lot different economy right now. Heck, I went out to eat the other day, no where fancy, but still, out to eat, and there was a wait to get seated.... I don't think it's as bad as the media makes it out to be and the media has certainly, even inarguably shored up consumer spending. It's a wonderful buyers market right now in almost every sector.

[TravisFling]

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Oh, I forgot what this thread was titled... I think it's not nice to dog someone's price on their boat. When someone is selling, especially on a community site, then just let it happen. If you don't have a positive comment, then don't sit on someones porch and complain...

[xrichard]

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I don't think negative comments posted here have a meaningful impact on the price someone will receive when selling a used boat. The market for used Nautiques is small but it isn't so small that comments on pricing posted on PlanetNautique constitute a buyer's primary source of information.

I've purchased new and used boats in the past and I can't imagine being influenced by comments like, "Gee, that boat's a steal! You'll sell it fast!" or "Gee, you're way high on price!" There are simply too many other ways to determine my real options in terms of how much a boat is worth in the market.

Having said that, it is incredibly rude to post on someone's "for sale" listing that his price is out of whack. I would never do that. In the past, there have been a couple of times that I've pm'd a seller to let him know his price is off. That's generally if I can supply him with additional information (e.g. either a quote I've received from a dealer or direct knowledge of what similar boats have actually sold for) and it is done in the spirit of helping the seller move his boat. It is always private and up to the seller how to use the information.

[rocco]

Boat Value!

Pricing your Boat for Sale,,,NO” I don’t think any one that is Not interested in your Boat, should say”well your way off the price buddy”
No matter what price he or she wants for their Boat “That’s their business…If your wanting that Boat regardless of the price your going to buy it…..And then your Happy and the seller is Happy…