Ryan Creek Marina I NEED TO VENT

[SkiTundra]

(I assume terminals are waterproof)

Correction: I assume terminals are NOT waterproof

[Nautibouys]

Not a criticism of lvnspeed, but just a curiosity. He said that after 3 days on the bottom of the lake that as they were pulling it up he could see lights on on the dash. When I would do audio and lighting for festivals it wouldn't take too much of a puddle to short stuff out if any conductor was at all exposed. Could the batteries still have a charge after being underwater 3 days (I assume terminals are waterproof)? Wouldn't they have shorted out? Or run down after driving bilge pumps for 3 days straight? Could they successfully provide power to dash lights?

If I forget to code off my boat and leave the accessory switch on the battery is dead in a day...

[jchamlin]

I've been on a center console fishing boat (cat) in the ocean and we had a leak in one of the hulls. We hurried back to the inlet and checked the bilge. The battery was completely under water but everything was still working, i.e. bilge. I'm no electrician but I believe water a conductor of electricity. If the boat I was on had electronics working underwater, why shouldn't this guy's electrical system operate...although three days is a long time for a battery to last. BTW, I'm not saying it was good that the battery was underwater and I don't know the condition of the boat now. If anyone starts bashing me on the validity of what I've just posted, I have three other people to back me up.

Seriously, this thread is getting out of control.

[AirTool]

I'm no electrician but I believe water a conductor of electricity.

Note: pure water does not conduct electricity. To conduct electricity, the water would have to have some type of ionized material in it like minerals or salt.....even then, the conductivity is very low. Seawater might be 1/1millionth the conductivity of copper.

I didn't understand the rest of the post.

One note, years ago a cousin of mine had is Toyota pickup swept away in a low water crossing. He was in it until it grounded in a bend. After he got out and made it to shore, it noticed that the truck was underwater and his tail lights were still on.

AirTool

[DanielC]

The big problem with water, and metals, or electricity is this. If you have two different metals, and they touch, and there is water present, it forms a weak battery, and one metal is eroded away. Every place in the entire electrical system there is a connection, you have different metals, one metal is eaten away.
Putting a battery in the mix only makes things worse. Anything closer to the positive post of the battery is eroded away.
Once a connection gets wet, and if they are under several feet of water, they will, that and every other connection starts to get worse, it has more resistance. More resistance, and the connection heats up, and that makes the connection degrade even more.
Now lets think about the engines computer. lets even say the inside of the computer remains sealed, and does not get any water in it. A lot of the sensors on the motor work off about five volts. If you add a little resistance, that and possibly many more sensors are now feeding the engine computer wrong data, and your engine runs poorly, if at all.
Because of the time it can take for the connections to degrade, you could very easily accept your boat, and believing it is all fixed, sign off on what you think is a generous check from the insurance company, and later you find many more problems crop up.

[2gofaster]

Not a criticism of lvnspeed, but just a curiosity. He said that after 3 days on the bottom of the lake that as they were pulling it up he could see lights on on the dash. When I would do audio and lighting for festivals it wouldn't take too much of a puddle to short stuff out if any conductor was at all exposed. Could the batteries still have a charge after being underwater 3 days (I assume terminals are waterproof)? Wouldn't they have shorted out? Or run down after driving bilge pumps for 3 days straight? Could they successfully provide power to dash lights?

Years back, we were using a flat bottom V drive drag boat as a chase boat/beer run boat while towing a floating marina across a big lake in Texas. We ran into some rough water and looked back to see the trailing rope to the drag boat going into nothing but water. No chase boat! lol. So we stopped and tied a buoy to the rope and came back 2 days later in smoother water. Hooked on and drug the boat close enough to shore to drive a big front end loader out in the water and lift it up. The bilge pump was actually running when it broke the surface. All the electrical powered up and after we drained the water out of the engine and trans and refilled it, it fired right up. Now, not to say that boat didn't have issues later on, but the water did nothing to short out the electrical system while it was on the bottom for two days.

[Teleman]

I don't think the intent of this thread is to "Bash" anyone here. We are all Nautique owners and there have been some interesting points brought up. Some that we all try to learn through other peoples experience. This particular thread originally caused sympathy for LvnSpeed through his misfortune and we offered advice as though it were genuine (It may very well be). After various details were scrutinized and shown in a different light, I must say my sympathy grew shorter from the evidence brought up (Not to say it is, or isn't true we can only go from what the story says). None of us would like to have bought a boat that has sunk for 3 days and is represented as "Perfect" especially from another respected site member. I like to think that on this site, we are watching out for each other, at least a little bit. I can't say it is, "Out of control" either to review what happened and try to figure out how we all can avoid Lvn's problems too. All of us could see this happening to us at some point if we are not careful. But if after reviewing the various scrutonized items, we find there are holes in the presented story, I must say I feel better that this chain of events might not happen to me. On the other hand, if the details do "Hold water" (No pun intended), ie. the battery lasts 3 days, boats of that era do sink, bildge can't keep up with drain, insurance companies don't pay, thieves abandon boat at dock, revised "sale" postings weren't posted, etc..., I would say I might do things different in my world to avoid this same tradgety Lvn has experienced with his boat. We are smart people on this site and you can't just throw out stories and expect us to all believe anything that is posted like a bunch of sheep without some level of scrutiny. I will get off my soap-box now...

[cotton]

I personally don't believe Lvn is trying to pull anything....BUT, I can see how if you want to believe that is the case you could come to that conclusion....If you have been on the site a little while
1) Buys boat for $12,000 talks about it openly (may or may not be true, but this is how it was posted)
2) Hutson motors chimes in and says no it was 22 to 23K
3) Tries to sell boat for a while without any takers at $25,000 to purchase open bow he found for $25,000
4) Boat disappears to be found on the bottom of the lake (some think its a little too needle in a haystack but I could see how 10' from the surface it could be seen)
5) Insurance Claim filed and drug out (possibly meaning a lengthy investigation in some eyes).

Lvn, I don't question your ethics one Iota, maybe you embellish a little you know like the guy at the gym who says he can bench 350 when its more like 180...Quite frankly if somebody asks me on the dock what I paid for my boat its none of their @#$%#$# business. Its the posts and timeline that have some scratching their heads...I think its just a bad coincidence. Let's cut him some slack. If it was my boat I would be pissed to be without it. Good luck...Progressive just dissapointed me on another matter, hopefully you have better results with your claim and company.

Nautiqueman
Post subject: What about $12K for a 2003 SKI???? PostPosted: Aug 17, 2008 - 08:31 PM
A friend was putting his '97SKI in the water today and a guy came up and said he just bought a 2003 SKI for 12K... sounds too good to be true doesn't it???? Or have prices just fallen off the cliff??

Lvnspeed
PostForum: General Nautique Discussion Posted: Aug 18, 2008 - 11:54 AM Subject: What about $12K for a 2003 SKI????
Nautiqueman, it was nice to meet you on Sunday and yes I am the guy who bought the 2003 196 for 12,000 Mr. Green and yes it is the real deal. The boat is Flawless. Yellow_Flash_Colorz:

HustonMotors
Post subject: PostPosted: Aug 21, 2008 - 04:15 PM
Huston Motors Here! Yes we Sold this 2003 Ski Nautique. 880 Hours Price was between 22 and 23000. Not sure what Lvnspeed is trying to accomplish by telling People he paid 12000. I would post a Purchase agreement if It weren't for Privacy laws. Crazy!

Lvnspeed
Post subject: 2003 Nautique 196 Limited PostPosted: Feb 02, 2009 - 12:48 PM
2003 196 limited it has ballst tanks (trick tanks)perfect pass, keyless start, heater new battery, water pump impeller it is in PERFECT shape Bimini top boat is Red and White in color
I have 890 hours (yes I use mine a lot)(it takes 3-4 hours to got from one side of my lake to the other and a full tank of fuel) on it where a frind of mine lives. There is Nothing wrong with the motor or the tranny or the boat for that matter. If you like we can go for a ride before you buy it.The boat looks clearer then my buddy’s 07. When I say perfect, it’s perfect. Mine lives on a hydro hoist on my lake (Fresh Water). Always covered, washed after every weekend. My boat has been serviced at Ryan Creek marina every time I take it there they (Ryan Creek) hate to work on it because I make them put covers over EVERYTHING, I am a little anal. I really don’t want to get rid of my boat I LUV IT. I am looking to buy an open bow and I found a 206 I am interested in need to move this one. $25,000 OBO
I can email pictures to who ever is interested.



INTERESTING to say the least.

Did Huston Motors cut a crazy deal due to high hours (880) for a 2003 196 (or other factors)? Can't see the benefit of someone saying they paid 12k for a boat that cost 22k - 23k, especially if they may be selling it on the same forum a few months later.

Also, if the boat had 880 hour on it in August and only 890 on Feb 2, there must not have been many of those 3 hour across the lake boat rides.

[Nautibouys]

I personally don't believe Lvn is trying to pull anything....BUT, I can see how if you want to believe that is the case you could come to that conclusion....If you have been on the site a little while
1) Buys boat for $12,000 talks about it openly (may or may not be true, but this is how it was posted)
2) Hutson motors chimes in and says no it was 22 to 23K
3) Tries to sell boat for a while without any takers at $25,000 to purchase open bow he found for $25,000
4) Boat disappears to be found on the bottom of the lake (some think its a little too needle in a haystack but I could see how 10' from the surface it could be seen)
5) Insurance Claim filed and drug out (possibly meaning a lengthy investigation in some eyes).

Lvn, I don't question your ethics one Iota, maybe you embellish a little you know like the guy at the gym who says he can bench 350 when its more like 180...Quite frankly if somebody asks me on the dock what I paid for my boat its none of their @#$%#$# business. Its the posts and timeline that have some scratching their heads...I think its just a bad coincidence. Let's cut him some slack. If it was my boat I would be pissed to be without it. Good luck...Progressive just dissapointed me on another matter, hopefully you have better results with your claim and company.

Nautiqueman
Post subject: What about $12K for a 2003 SKI???? PostPosted: Aug 17, 2008 - 08:31 PM
A friend was putting his '97SKI in the water today and a guy came up and said he just bought a 2003 SKI for 12K... sounds too good to be true doesn't it???? Or have prices just fallen off the cliff??

Lvnspeed
PostForum: General Nautique Discussion Posted: Aug 18, 2008 - 11:54 AM Subject: What about $12K for a 2003 SKI????
Nautiqueman, it was nice to meet you on Sunday and yes I am the guy who bought the 2003 196 for 12,000 Mr. Green and yes it is the real deal. The boat is Flawless. Yellow_Flash_Colorz:

HustonMotors
Post subject: PostPosted: Aug 21, 2008 - 04:15 PM
Huston Motors Here! Yes we Sold this 2003 Ski Nautique. 880 Hours Price was between 22 and 23000. Not sure what Lvnspeed is trying to accomplish by telling People he paid 12000. I would post a Purchase agreement if It weren't for Privacy laws. Crazy!

Lvnspeed
Post subject: 2003 Nautique 196 Limited PostPosted: Feb 02, 2009 - 12:48 PM
2003 196 limited it has ballst tanks (trick tanks)perfect pass, keyless start, heater new battery, water pump impeller it is in PERFECT shape Bimini top boat is Red and White in color
I have 890 hours (yes I use mine a lot)(it takes 3-4 hours to got from one side of my lake to the other and a full tank of fuel) on it where a frind of mine lives. There is Nothing wrong with the motor or the tranny or the boat for that matter. If you like we can go for a ride before you buy it.The boat looks clearer then my buddy’s 07. When I say perfect, it’s perfect. Mine lives on a hydro hoist on my lake (Fresh Water). Always covered, washed after every weekend. My boat has been serviced at Ryan Creek marina every time I take it there they (Ryan Creek) hate to work on it because I make them put covers over EVERYTHING, I am a little anal. I really don’t want to get rid of my boat I LUV IT. I am looking to buy an open bow and I found a 206 I am interested in need to move this one. $25,000 OBO
I can email pictures to who ever is interested.



INTERESTING to say the least.

Did Huston Motors cut a crazy deal due to high hours (880) for a 2003 196 (or other factors)? Can't see the benefit of someone saying they paid 12k for a boat that cost 22k - 23k, especially if they may be selling it on the same forum a few months later.

Also, if the boat had 880 hour on it in August and only 890 on Feb 2, there must not have been many of those 3 hour across the lake boat rides.

That's the part that caught my attention: "I have 890 hours (yes I use mine a lot)(it takes 3-4 hours to got from one side of my lake to the other and a full tank of fuel) on it where a frind of mine lives." So by putting 10 hours since purchase that's using it a lot? Sounds like he was trying to give the perception that he was the one that put all the hours on the boat on long trips across his lake to his friends house.

[saceone]

DRAMA

[gride300]

well this guy needs to come correct and man up since his dealer told us how much he paid, and maybe he won't get so much guff. otherwise i call dbag

[Lvnspeed]

Lynspeed,

First, I am not trying to be harsh at all, but here is what I find confusing:

(1) In your first post on this thread, you indicate that you took the boat to Ryan Creek on 1/25/09, two days after you pulled it out of the lake. Thus, I assume you pulled it out of the lake on 1/23/09.

(2) Looking back in the classified section, I see that you advertised your boat for trade on 1/22/09, and you poseted updates on 1/23/09, 1/25/09, and 1/28/09.

(3) You then had a second classified ad, this time for sale not trade, that you posted on 2/2/09, with updates posted on 2/4/09, 2/10/09, and 2/16/09.

In your ads, you state that the boat " is in PERFECT shape ".

Do you see why I and some others might be confused? I know I may be missing some of the details, but I am having a hard time understanding the timeline.


The dates are wrong it happened in Feb not Jan but I couldnt edit the post. For venting porposes it really didnt matter. But I guess it does. The Theft happened on 2/22 according to the police report.

[HS]

Whatever. Good luck w/ ins. co. Out.

[WakeSlayer]

This thread is ridiculous at this point. Lvn, I keep going back an forth on what to believe. You keep defending the holes that get poked in your story. Then more get poked into it. I think a lot of the guff you are getting has been brought on by you. You should proofread a couple times before you post, keep your stories straight and this would not happen. There are way too many inconsistencies to not bring them up.

I wish you the best of luck getting your boat back.
Also out.

[gride300]

honesty is the best policy. moral of the story here