Another Model Question for Y'all

[Landry1]

As we narrow the field, we've been presented with another option.

2006 SV-211 TE w/ 150 hrs for $49,900 (but owner has wiggle room)

2007 SANTE 220 TE w/ 90 hrs for $47,800 (firm) with the ZR-6

Anybody out there run either one of these boats, and if so can you give me the good/bad? It'll be just the wife and I & on occasion some friends. Will do some boarding and if I learn, some surfing (with the rare pass on 2 ski's for the wife, couple times a summer at best).

Also, which do y'all think would hold it's resale value better?

Thanks in advance for any insight you might be able to provide.

[rivercowboy]

RE: Another Model Question for Y

I own a 07 220. It is more of a core wakeboarding boat than the 211. I love my boat. I have extra fat sacs in the boat and am able to surf with just a driver and spotter. That price on the 211 looks a little steep to me. My boat has deffinetly depreciated, but so has everything else in this world. I would highly recommend the 220.

[lion90]

I am not an expert but here is my opinion.

Why not go with the 220? It is a bigger boat, it is a year newer, it has lower hours and it has the bigger engine. On top of that, it is cheaper. Due to all of that, I would think it would hold its resale better. It sounds like the better deal.

I think most will agree that it is probably the better wakeboarding/surfing boat of the two as well, but I won't speak for everyone.

[migs]

220 - no doubt.

[SkiTundra]

The 220 certainly seems the better value between these two though since they've discontinued the TE 211 maybe the value/demand has risin. My one experience skiing behind a 220 was not good. It has a beastly wake even with no ballast and 2 people in the boat. JMO, maybe some 220 owners can chime in differently. We have an 08 211TE and it has been a great boat for us. It's moderately good for skiing, wakeboarding, and surfing and we do a bunch of all 3. It's good enough skiing for tournament certification and good enough wakeboarding and surfing for everyone who's been behind it. We surf behind ours all the time and have great fun doing it (you'll pick it up quickly). Haven't surfed behind a 220 so can't compare.

I don't think you'll go wrong with either and you'll be happy with either especially if your wife only skis once or twice a year. The 211 has the walk-thru transom but the 220 seats 5 more people (and what can we say, the ZR6 is just plain manly!). We'd considered the 220, particularly for cruising/space, but in the end I wasn't ready to give up skiing just yet.

[TravisFling]

I couldn't agree more with everyone. The 220 has the bigger engine, more room, better surf and wakeboard wake and if she's only skiing a time or two, you should be gravy with the 220.

[SkiTower]

If you're considering either one of these, you haven't done your homework. Boat values have fallen through the floor.

As for which boat to get (regardless of price), for the use you specified the 220 would be better. But it sounds like you don't have the experience to notice the subtle differences, so truly either boat would probably suit you. The 211 with the smaller engine probably gets better fuel economy. The 211 is great all around, but the 220 is the better wakeboarding boat. I'd drive both and see which feels better. I do love my walk-thru to the platform...

[SkiTundra]

If you're considering either one of these, you haven't done your homework. Boat values have fallen through the floor.

I think it depends a lot on geography. Up here I think the 220 would be about right, the 211 probably around $44k, maybe $45k. With only 2 weeks of summer ours tend to be in better shape though :-)

[Landry1]

If you're considering either one of these, you haven't done your homework. Boat values have fallen through the floor.

Please help me with the homework I need to do. We're trying to set up a test drive of both boats, but the 220 is over 400 miles away. In the DFW metromess the used boat prices don't seem to have fallen very much.

I've been trying to run the numbers as best I can and come up with the following numbers.


2006 SANTE 210 TE - asking $49,900 (will reduce to $43K) / NADA avg value $45,730


2007 SANTE 220 TE - asking $47,800 (firm) / NADA avg value $56,330


Obviously on paper the 220 is a better deal. One big issue I'm trying to overcome is the 220 is located out of state and is being sold by a private seller whereas the 210 is offered locally by the Nautique dealer. Boat was sold/serviced by the dealer and the wife is more comfortable dealing with them.

[raygunclan]

Ah... the wife - that is a very important part of the equation that can not be overlooked.
What tower do the boats have on them - if either has the FCT2 (folds backwards - 1 person - think i have the right FCT) that would be the deciding factor for me. I have to lower my tower under a bridge and the FCT1 was tough to do...

[jonfo]

I cant tell you which one to get, but I have owned both and I can tell you my experiences.

211 Pros
- Smaller, lighter, less gas, easier to store, fits under 7ft garage door
- Good wakeboard and surf wake when weighted properly
- Walkthrough good for storing wet gear, we never really used it for walking.
- Smaller, lighter tower can be put up and down with one fit person

211 Cons
- Smaller means way less seating and storage
- Walkthrough limits storage
- Vents on side need to be plugged when surfing or you will take on water

220 Pros
- Great wakeboard and surf wake
- Tons of storage even above engine, seating great, rear facing seating, small bow area maximized rear seating
- High freeboard keeps you way above water line
- Big beefy tower
- 330hp with Acme 1235 prop has no problem even when weighted down

220 Cons
- Wakeboard wake is finicky with weight placement
- Larger, heavier, more gas, requires 2ft extra length and 1ft extra height to store
- Big tower requires two fit people to put up and down.
- Built in cooler on port side under compartment is non-usable, its just extra storage.

[Landry1]

Thanks for the info Jonfo, thats what I was looking for. Just 30 min ago my dealer emailed with another 211 thats has become available and we might try to look at that one as well.

[SkiTower]

If you're considering either one of these, you haven't done your homework. Boat values have fallen through the floor.

Please help me with the homework I need to do. We're trying to set up a test drive of both boats, but the 220 is over 400 miles away. In the DFW metromess the used boat prices don't seem to have fallen very much.

I've been trying to run the numbers as best I can and come up with the following numbers.


2006 SANTE 210 TE - asking $49,900 (will reduce to $43K) / NADA avg value $45,730


2007 SANTE 220 TE - asking $47,800 (firm) / NADA avg value $56,330


Obviously on paper the 220 is a better deal. One big issue I'm trying to overcome is the 220 is located out of state and is being sold by a private seller whereas the 210 is offered locally by the Nautique dealer. Boat was sold/serviced by the dealer and the wife is more comfortable dealing with them.

First, was above a typo? Are you looking at a 210 or 211?

Second, you and I are not looking at the same NADA (but I truly hope you're right). Both boats are in the 30's when I pull them up (not checking any options, just a quick search). However, avg asking prices out there are the mid 40's on sites like www.onlyinboards.com. I was considering trading mine and did a thorough search for comparison. Found several and they all averaged around 43 (but I have an SE, not TE)

[Landry1]

Sorry, typo on the 211. We've also been looking at a 210 and I guess my brain wasn't paying attention to the fingers. When pulling NADA I've been including options. The 210 TE we looked at has a sale pending at $43K as of this afternoon and the NADA came in at $41K for average with options.

[Kevin_B]

220 no question. Spent a summer using one and its a great boat.