220 gone!

[tdc_worm]

i think he was agreeing that the new 220 was designed to be the boat that replaced the legacy 210. i dont think he was comparing the new 210 to the legacy 210.

and i will still stand by my previous comment: everyone is a naysayer about the storage/trashcan humps in the 220 until they spend a day in that boat. i would even venture to guess that miljack hasnt spend 8 straight hours in a 220 (not calling you out, just tryting to make a point on). when weighted correctly, that boat has the steepest wake a nautique produces second only to the legacy 210.

i will agree that walk through/full lift engine hatch design of the 230 is superior to any other option from any other manufacturer out there. they need to ditch the stern cooler...its useless, the engine heat bakes the ice right out of there, and when are you really speding enough time back there to enjoy a complete beverage? make it a reach through for life vests, surf ropes and wake skate shoes.

the helm forward design of the 220 actually allows for a longer cockpit than the 230. if they did move the bow forward on the 230, they could get the drivers seat out of the way of the reversibile bench. look at the pic below. even though the 230 is a wider boat, the leanback is narrower and allows the driver's seat to protrude as indicated by the green circle. whereas i can set two people relaxed on my 220 bench, only one can sit comfortably and lean back on my 230 bench. the light blue circle indicates wasted space behind the starboard lean back. stealing a trick from my 220, i relocated my trash can there so it is easy access for all in the boat.



when you look at the 220 you see that the driver's seat does not protrude into the rear bench area. additionally, you have the inboard padding of the lean backs to rest against (as indicated by the green circles) and the tops of the lean backs to rest your arms on without fear of violating any "man rules." finally the blue arrow indicates the forward facing padding which is key if you like to face forward. finally they add an additional storage point to keep people from having to climb into the glove box to fetch their phones, etc.



am i fan of the lean backs? you be the judge. all i know is that i have more than 400 hrs on my 220 and 175 hrs on my 230. from inside the boat, the 220 is more functional and comfortable. from the sundeck back, the 230 is more functional and comfortable.

[Erik]

Interesting. Now you have me thinking.

I agree. The 220 is more of a dotted-line replacement for the 210 classic than the updated 210 is. Kind of a "spiritual successor" thing. Hard to quantify or qualify, but just based on gut I'd consider it above the updated 210 if there wasn't the 230/236 and updated 226 in the picture. It feels odd to even think that - but I do. I wish I regarded the new 210 more highly. It's just so overshadowed at this point by the 230 and some of the excellent redesigns (216v & 226) that I am concerned about it being cannibalized by other boats in roughly the same price & size category.

[tdc_worm]

Interesting. Now you have me thinking.

I agree. The 220 is more of a dotted-line replacement for the 210 classic than the updated 210 is. Kind of a "spiritual successor" thing.

my point exactly when i said it never got a fair shake. the interior was so evolutionary, that the wake was never even considered. nobody wanted to even get in the boat because the interior was SOOOOO "appalling"...so how could it ever be judged on the merit of its wake alone. i was the first to jump on the hate wagon...search for tdc for my knee jerky thoughts:

http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/m...21/248750.html

after spending a day in one, i was the proud owner with in a matter of weeks. the wake, albeit finicky, is phenomenal. it is steep, easy, and a great wake for learning spins...just like the legacy 210.

as for the new 210, i agree, i cannot find a reason you would choose that boat over a 220 from a wake or interior standpoint. and, yes, i have logged several hours on that boat as well. my only disclaimer is that we wake starts to come in to its own w/ 3k of extra ballast (i am told)...kind of like an x star. my 220 and my 230 do it w/ 1k over stock....

[gotpwr]

Is the 220 wake anymore weight balance sensitive than a legacy SAN?

[dizzyj]

have crushed many a black can on worms 220. Only thing I wasnt a huge fan of was the engine hump. Other than that, the access to cellphones and trashcan was phenominal. Thats still one thing I dont like about my 230. Even with all that room, backbacks.etc are all out cause people are wanting to get at their stuff.

I also with the drivers seat didnt hit the center bench AND the throttle. Stupid design right there.

[Erik]

Is the 220 wake anymore weight balance sensitive than a legacy SAN?

Excellent, excellent, excellent question.

I have wondered this so many times.

I do expect the resale value of the 220 to drop, but it could be the 'secret' best replacement for 210 Classic owners who are looking for a different ride, different layout, updated boat.

I want the 230 for the reasons mentioned above, but also for the fact that I want a large boat, I want a Correct Craft and I want it to be able to be loaded down with so much hidden weight - and that's how I always weight my boats. Hide the ballast. The 230 can provide that.

[rivercowboy]

I love my 220. It is the most comfortable CC to hang out in all day for sure. Only thing I hate is that when it comes to trade up in a few years im going to take a pounding.
The weight sensitivity is a problem, but once you are aware of it, it can be managed easily.

[Miljack]

Erik-yes I should have clarified that my opinion of the 220 is that CC was looking for a larger boat for the customers with "legacy" 210's.

Worm, GREAT post and insight between these two boats. No I haven't spent the day on a 220, but I've got a brother in Austin and could probably set up a visit for SXSW 8-) This is the kind of info that usually costs somebody a boat trade in! Interesting viewpoint on the wake performance on the 220 and 230 in that your thought is 1000 pounds (plus stock) gets those wakes to "almost" pro level, and what we've seen from the 210 that requires more weight to get to that level.
I've always liked the 220 for the size and extra storage, and I think that the used markets have some great deals on these boats.

[KYSCJohnson]

2009 Is the last year of the 220's..

[Erik]

Welcome to the thread. Thanks for your input. But I am pretty sure that's been surmised across 2 pages of pretty excellent discussion.

But I'd say 'last year' with a big assed asterisk*. As in it's gone for now, probably after they fulfill some remaining orders. Then would it be that difficult to entertain the thought of a reintroduction in a year or 2 after they iron out some kinks?

Problem is, those kinks are either aplenty or nonexistent depending on who you ask. I've always liked the boat a lot.

[Nautiqueman]

You all forget the laws of supply and demand, the 220 values will rise since the production has ceased! Scarcity=> Higher Cost!

[dizzyj]

You all forget the laws of supply and demand, the 220 values will rise since the production has ceased! Scarcity=> Higher Cost!

AND demand.

its a 2 part equation

[Nautiqueman]

Just havin some fun..

[Zeda]

I'm hanging onto my 220 for at least another 5 years. I love the wake and the interior. We boat camp on Powell at least two times per year and it carries everything we need for four or five days of primitive boat camping. It's pretty hard to beat.

I ride with an extra 500 pounds in the walkway and find the wake to be perfect. My buddy with a MC X-30 was very shocked by how the wake was kickin with that configuration. In fact, I'm pretty sure he was jealous and is now seriously considering a Nautique for his next boat.

[Gasman87]

zeda , that would be the best decision your friend will ever make & he & his family will be in debt to you forever !!!!!!