200 booked thru December!!

[j2nh]

LS3 is around 430 hp and 420 Ft/lbs of torque right? 54 mph is really, really fast. My 196 with the 409 "only" does a gps confirmed 49 mph. Top speed is not relevant anyway and the truth is I only ran it up once just out of curiosity. The 196, digital throttle and 409 make adjusting speed for footing or anything else that does not require ZO the responsive boat I have ever driven.

Only 49 with the hydrogate up? My uncles 196/ZR6 (04, pre-hydrogate) is good for 49-50 on the GPS. Word is that the 196/409 is generally good for 52.5-53.5. A difference of about 3mph with the hydrogate seems typical. The CCF 196 (with a tweaked hull) consistently runs 55+.

40.5 with the gate down seems consistent with 43 top end (gate up). Thats a real bummer for footers who like any sort of speed- most I know like 41+ for one-footers (I like 43-44 longline). I too had hoped that the 200 hull would be faster since it looks like it sits up higher in the water like the Malibus do. Somehow they managed to make it as slow as the MC 197... 42-44mph seems to be the norm with those boats with the MCX (350hp).

Too bad. Bring back the Barefoot Nautique! Yellow_Flash_Colorz:

To be honest I only ran it up once and for a very short period of time. Two people in the boat, 49 mph gate up, stock prop. Not an issue for me as top end over 45 is not really something I care about. Holding 43 with a couple of footers is important and the 196 does it better than anything else.

I think the comment that behidnpropellers made about the similar design to the old Supra Comp TS6M is close to the mark. 196's have very little bow rise but the 200 has none, similar to the Supra. Nicer wake but also a lot like the MC 197.

Not banging on the boat, if it served my needs I would pull the trigger today. The fit and finish of this boat are exceptional. I dock ski so the extra storage is not necessary. We all barefoot and this won't do it. I teach tons of kids to ski each summer and need a boom. I pull freestyle jump and absolutely need to be able to see the speedo clearly, something you cannot do on the 200. The wake at 15 and 28 off at 34mph was not noticeably different that the 196.

Pretty boat though.

[oldslalomskier]

I wonder if Boattest.com or waterskimag.com will do a test. TOo bad the AWSA boat cert tests don't check top speed.

[j2nh]

I wonder if Boattest.com or waterskimag.com will do a test. TOo bad the AWSA boat cert tests don't check top speed.

Would not surprise me if Nautique provided them with a 200 equipped with the 409. Didn't they use 409 equipped 200's in the Big Dawg finals?

[ClemsonDave]

I think that is the motor you will eventually see become the standard. Yes, the 6L was used in the BD final.

[AirTool]

Too bad. Bring back the Barefoot Nautique! Yellow_Flash_Colorz:

Wasn't the BFN a deeper/heavier hull? What was the top speed?

[CradGen2]

Airtool, You disappoint me here. You need to be more specific are you talking the DD (assume) or the V drive. Also if you are talking the DD which years.

Just kidding you are way more knowledgable then I about CC.

CW

[SNMike]

LS3 is around 430 hp and 420 Ft/lbs of torque right? 54 mph is really, really fast. My 196 with the 409 "only" does a gps confirmed 49 mph. Top speed is not relevant anyway and the truth is I only ran it up once just out of curiosity. The 196, digital throttle and 409 make adjusting speed for footing or anything else that does not require ZO the responsive boat I have ever driven.

Only 49 with the hydrogate up? My uncles 196/ZR6 (04, pre-hydrogate) is good for 49-50 on the GPS. Word is that the 196/409 is generally good for 52.5-53.5. A difference of about 3mph with the hydrogate seems typical. The CCF 196 (with a tweaked hull) consistently runs 55+.

40.5 with the gate down seems consistent with 43 top end (gate up). Thats a real bummer for footers who like any sort of speed- most I know like 41+ for one-footers (I like 43-44 longline). I too had hoped that the 200 hull would be faster since it looks like it sits up higher in the water like the Malibus do. Somehow they managed to make it as slow as the MC 197... 42-44mph seems to be the norm with those boats with the MCX (350hp).

Too bad. Bring back the Barefoot Nautique! Yellow_Flash_Colorz:

To be honest I only ran it up once and for a very short period of time. Two people in the boat, 49 mph gate up, stock prop. Not an issue for me as top end over 45 is not really something I care about. Holding 43 with a couple of footers is important and the 196 does it better than anything else.

I think the comment that behidnpropellers made about the similar design to the old Supra Comp TS6M is close to the mark. 196's have very little bow rise but the 200 has none, similar to the Supra. Nicer wake but also a lot like the MC 197.

Not banging on the boat, if it served my needs I would pull the trigger today. The fit and finish of this boat are exceptional. I dock ski so the extra storage is not necessary. We all barefoot and this won't do it. I teach tons of kids to ski each summer and need a boom. I pull freestyle jump and absolutely need to be able to see the speedo clearly, something you cannot do on the 200. The wake at 15 and 28 off at 34mph was not noticeably different that the 196.

Pretty boat though.

J2, I just spoke with Bill Yeargin, and he said you absolutely positively CANNOT be the pitch man for the 200!! Yellow_Flash_Colorz:

Just messin' with ya dude! 8-)

[CradGen2]

I seem to remember the DD hulls with the 454 running 44-48 and the couple v's running 44-46 with the 454.

I have heard of people getting 50 out of a couple of them.

[SNMike]

One of my good friends (a good ole' boy) customized his BN. Doesn't begin to resemble the original boat. Yellow_Flash_Colorz:

[j2nh]

LS3 is around 430 hp and 420 Ft/lbs of torque right? 54 mph is really, really fast. My 196 with the 409 "only" does a gps confirmed 49 mph. Top speed is not relevant anyway and the truth is I only ran it up once just out of curiosity. The 196, digital throttle and 409 make adjusting speed for footing or anything else that does not require ZO the responsive boat I have ever driven.

Only 49 with the hydrogate up? My uncles 196/ZR6 (04, pre-hydrogate) is good for 49-50 on the GPS. Word is that the 196/409 is generally good for 52.5-53.5. A difference of about 3mph with the hydrogate seems typical. The CCF 196 (with a tweaked hull) consistently runs 55+.

40.5 with the gate down seems consistent with 43 top end (gate up). Thats a real bummer for footers who like any sort of speed- most I know like 41+ for one-footers (I like 43-44 longline). I too had hoped that the 200 hull would be faster since it looks like it sits up higher in the water like the Malibus do. Somehow they managed to make it as slow as the MC 197... 42-44mph seems to be the norm with those boats with the MCX (350hp).

Too bad. Bring back the Barefoot Nautique! Yellow_Flash_Colorz:

To be honest I only ran it up once and for a very short period of time. Two people in the boat, 49 mph gate up, stock prop. Not an issue for me as top end over 45 is not really something I care about. Holding 43 with a couple of footers is important and the 196 does it better than anything else.

I think the comment that behidnpropellers made about the similar design to the old Supra Comp TS6M is close to the mark. 196's have very little bow rise but the 200 has none, similar to the Supra. Nicer wake but also a lot like the MC 197.

Not banging on the boat, if it served my needs I would pull the trigger today. The fit and finish of this boat are exceptional. I dock ski so the extra storage is not necessary. We all barefoot and this won't do it. I teach tons of kids to ski each summer and need a boom. I pull freestyle jump and absolutely need to be able to see the speedo clearly, something you cannot do on the 200. The wake at 15 and 28 off at 34mph was not noticeably different that the 196.

Pretty boat though.

J2, I just spoke with Bill Yeargin, and he said you absolutely positively CANNOT be the pitch man for the 200!! Yellow_Flash_Colorz:

Just messin' with ya dude! 8-)

Too late, I already gave Bill an earful and I am officially off the Christmas card list.

Seriously, in my humble opinion they went for the open bow market that MC and Malibu have but lost something in the process. My daughter (21) thinks the boat will sell cause wives will love it (chick boat).

[SNMike]

LS3 is around 430 hp and 420 Ft/lbs of torque right? 54 mph is really, really fast. My 196 with the 409 "only" does a gps confirmed 49 mph. Top speed is not relevant anyway and the truth is I only ran it up once just out of curiosity. The 196, digital throttle and 409 make adjusting speed for footing or anything else that does not require ZO the responsive boat I have ever driven.

Only 49 with the hydrogate up? My uncles 196/ZR6 (04, pre-hydrogate) is good for 49-50 on the GPS. Word is that the 196/409 is generally good for 52.5-53.5. A difference of about 3mph with the hydrogate seems typical. The CCF 196 (with a tweaked hull) consistently runs 55+.

40.5 with the gate down seems consistent with 43 top end (gate up). Thats a real bummer for footers who like any sort of speed- most I know like 41+ for one-footers (I like 43-44 longline). I too had hoped that the 200 hull would be faster since it looks like it sits up higher in the water like the Malibus do. Somehow they managed to make it as slow as the MC 197... 42-44mph seems to be the norm with those boats with the MCX (350hp).

Too bad. Bring back the Barefoot Nautique! Yellow_Flash_Colorz:

To be honest I only ran it up once and for a very short period of time. Two people in the boat, 49 mph gate up, stock prop. Not an issue for me as top end over 45 is not really something I care about. Holding 43 with a couple of footers is important and the 196 does it better than anything else.

I think the comment that behidnpropellers made about the similar design to the old Supra Comp TS6M is close to the mark. 196's have very little bow rise but the 200 has none, similar to the Supra. Nicer wake but also a lot like the MC 197.

Not banging on the boat, if it served my needs I would pull the trigger today. The fit and finish of this boat are exceptional. I dock ski so the extra storage is not necessary. We all barefoot and this won't do it. I teach tons of kids to ski each summer and need a boom. I pull freestyle jump and absolutely need to be able to see the speedo clearly, something you cannot do on the 200. The wake at 15 and 28 off at 34mph was not noticeably different that the 196.

Pretty boat though.

J2, I just spoke with Bill Yeargin, and he said you absolutely positively CANNOT be the pitch man for the 200!! Yellow_Flash_Colorz:

Just messin' with ya dude! 8-)

Too late, I already gave Bill an earful and I am officially off the Christmas card list.

Seriously, in my humble opinion they went for the open bow market that MC and Malibu have but lost something in the process. My daughter (21) thinks the boat will sell cause wives will love it (chick boat).

I agree. However, the wider beam is something that will appeal to the rec skier and family. I know that "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" applies to a certain point, but CC probably felt they had to do something being that the TSC hull goes back to 97. I'm supposed to ski behind the 200 in Oct. I'll post my findings on the skiing aspect of it. It will have to impress me BIG time, as I'm on my 6th 196.

Regards!!! Mike

[DanielC]

In 2000, Correct Craft felt they needed to change something, because the TSC1 hull was three years old. The idea, was the new Teleflex digital gauges. My first comment, upon seeing them at the boat show in January, was that they are hard to read, and see. I was wrong. Put on polarized sunglasses and you could not read them at all. Look around this website to find out how reliable the gauges were.

I too feel this is a compromise boat. I have not even seen one in person, yet, but common sense tells me that if Correct Craft can design a boat longer, wider, and heavier than the current 196, and have a better wake for sking, they could apply what they have learned in the design of the 200 hull, and make a new 196 that has an even better wake that the 200.

My thought is that Correct Craft no longer is building the best no compromise three event boat they could. Is the 200 a better boat than anything currently available? It very well could be. Is it the best Correct Craft could produce? I do not think so.

[ClemsonDave]

Just curious why you think this is a compromise boat? Because it doesn't have the top speed of the 196? How many out there need 45mph? I suspect only the top level footers. While more expensive, you can get the 6L which should fix that issue.

I think it is all about boat sales. My guess is that Malibu and MC have taken market share by building a quality boat that skis as good as the 196, yet are open bow. This opens the market to buyers other than just the diehard tournament skiers. So, CC comes out with the 200. From everything I have heard, it has a better wake, drives better and is quieter than the 196. And they did it with an open bow.

Is it perfect? I doubt it. What products are perfect right out of the box? I think they did a heck of a job, though. Plus, it will only get better! My only fear is the timing of releasing a very expensive new boat during a down economy.

btw, I agree with you 100% on the '00 gauges....

[j2nh]

Mike:
Still a newbie with my 4th. Hope there will be a 5th, time and CC will tell. Standing joke in my house when I purchase a new one that it will be "the last one", when everybody knows it won't be.

I skied the boat at 15 and 28 @34 and the wake was different, but I can't say it was better than a 196. Please post your reaction, I will be curious to see what you think.

As for the rest, It's their company and I am just the customer. Wider beam will be a plus for people that trailer and spend days on the water but sacrificing some of the defining characteristics of the 196 does not impress me.

Peace
Jim

[ScarletArrow]

Change is hard. There will be pros and cons to the 200 vs. 196...and the observations being made in this thread match my experience.

CC had effectively perfected the slalom machine with the 196...and the TSC / 196 concept dates to 1997 - over 10 years! It was time for CC to do something new.

Plus, the 206 just didn't take off like CC wanted - to compete w/ the 197 and Lxi.

So the "compromise" to meet market demand for a bigger boat and still remain a true 3 event boat was to merge the 206 and 196 models.

In the end, CC exists to make money, and if that means making a gourment burger out of a sacred cow, then the 196 had to make way for innovation.

Will it make CC more money? Almost certainly.

Will it be the best 3 event boat? Time will tell.

Will the 196 become a classic model that is in high demand for current owners? Almost certainly.

Will the 200 improve over time? I hope so.