Just 1 option Correct Craft!

[Laptom]

Please make it possible to run Zero Off with a Paddle Wheel!!!

We would really like to order a brand new 2010 230 with all the bells and whistles. Even with the LINC system...
But the most important of wakeboarding are the wake and the speed. Wake is perfect on the 230, but with the Zero Off on a river (with bridges, etc) it really is a pain in the ***!

I don't want a gps system, they don't detect what the speed is at bridge colloms, outside/inner side of a curf in a river. The water current isn't constant at a river, so a GPS will never work!

If a paddle wheel is optional on a LINC system, they will sell a new 230 to us! Otherwise we will keep the 2007 236/230 with a Perfect Pass Wakeboard Pro system..


And yeah, I know we can build in a Perfect Pass system in a new 230.. But that is just a crazy solution. A LINC system and a seperate Perfect Pass system...

[east tx skier]

RE: Just 1 option Correct Craft!

I think you want to send that to Zero Off. CC doesn't make those decisions.

http://www.zerogps.com/

[jward]

RE: Just 1 option Correct Craft!

If it means selling a boat, I would figure the dealer and CC would do what ever it takes. I'm sure they would have more pull with ZO than an individual would. I may be wrong though

[delbert]

My understanding is that Perfect Pass has the patent to paddle wheel speed control and Zero Off has the patent for GPS speed control.

[Laptom]

I know, it's just a shout in the dark... But we could really come to a deal with our local dealer, but....
I drove a '09 Zero Off system this summer on our location and it was really messing around with the speed.

We will see, the changes are 50-50 right now for a new boat, but I hate to search for a pro-driver when I want to wakeboard for an hour.

[robertsmcfarland]

Can't agree with you more, Have a 2008 210 replaced zero off with perfect pass will be demoing a 230 this weekend with new updated antenna if it doesn't porous will order a new one if it does then a xstar. its does not make since to change something when PP worked so well .

[WA-H2O-SKI]

Not my understanding

Not my understanding. I have heard that Zero Off has taken the rights to produce all gps speed controls for drive by wire boats of a certain year and newer and perfect pass has the rights to all NON drive by wire. Perfect pass and Zero Off went through some legal proceedings and agreed upon an arangement of rights in regards to year of manufacture and drive by wire use.........

[east tx skier]

Re: Not my understanding

Not my understanding. I have heard that Zero Off has taken the rights to produce all gps speed controls for drive by wire boats of a certain year and newer and perfect pass has the rights to all NON drive by wire. Perfect pass and Zero Off went through some legal proceedings and agreed upon an arangement of rights in regards to year of manufacture and drive by wire use.........

That's about right. From 2009 and forward, ZO gets the OEM speed control for Indmar and PCM. Perfect Pass has all non DBW boats and DBW up through 2008 or so (maybe 2007). Perfect Pass also has a license for ZO's GPS technology.

The lawsuit concerned Perfect Pass's patent infringement claim concerning its servo motor function within the speed control system.

Currently, there is no paddle wheel function in SG apart from providing water temperature input. It is a pure GPS system.

[snowboardcorey]

Why not just bypass the link system for cruise control and run perfect pass? I understand you want integration, but having your depth finder front and center while still being able to adjust perfect pass on the fly would be slick.

[Laptom]

I know... In my opinion there a currently 3 possibilities for me:
1. Buy a new 230 and live with the ZO
2. Buy a new 230 and place a Perfect Pass system in
3. Keep the old boat and wakeboard like it should

This far option 1 is not an option. Option 2 is plain silly, to buy a 80k boat and still have to adjust it for 1k to run it properly. So most likely we'll keep the old 230...
It's a shame, we could really come to a deal with our dealer, but this is really not going to happen if ZO don't come with a proper solution for a river.

Just to stand correctly, I don't care what the deals are with PP or ZO. There is a ZO system standard in a 230 and it doesn't work properly on a river! I really like the ZO on a lake and want to keep it, just add a paddle wheel when we are on a river!
The deal as far as I know is that PP will be on non-dbw boats and ZO will be on dbw boats. So they could adjust ZO to have an extra input source (paddle wheel) in my opinion. Just like stargazer is using gps on a PP system...

[JohnE]

I think this conversation is ridiculous. What you want is available from PP. Are you worried about the $1K or the fact that the product isn't from ZO? What if your dealer throws in PP for free, then will you buy?

[robertsmcfarland]

2009 and up will not except the perfect pass due to the configuration of the electronics with the pcm motor. master craft inmar motors still except the perfect pass for 2010

[DanielC]

Laptom, I think you already have your answer. It is your option 3, keep using your boat. Correct Craft is not offering a boat with the options you want, you do not buy a new Correct Craft. Correct Craft loses a sale, Perfect Pass loses a sale, Zero Off did not really lose a sale, you do not want the product they offer.

[Laptom]

I think this conversation is ridiculous. What you want is available from PP. Are you worried about the $1K or the fact that the product isn't from ZO? What if your dealer throws in PP for free, then will you buy?

Perhaps you find it whining or something... But I find it ridiculous that Correct Craft is making wakeboard boats which cannot hold speed properly on a river!

And off cource I don't care about the 1k a Perfect Pass costs, I just wan't an integrated system working with the LINC system or even without LINC, but just standard from the factory!

A lot of people on the other side of the pond are complaining about the ZO-system. It just don't work on a river!

[DanielC]

I agree with Laptom. We should have a speed control system available that factors in water current speed. Three event waterskiing is the only discipline that requires a speed based on time to go a distance. Every other waterskiing discipline your speed is based on speed over the water.
Why are we forced to accept a speed control system designed for the minority of skiers that do three event, when most of the people who have a boat will never ski a slalom course?
On further thought, even in three event (Slalom, Jump, and Trick) are not the skiers in the trick event allowed to choose their speed? And therefore can get the water speed they want by asking the driver to tow a pass going one way faster or slower that the pass going the opposite direction.