220 surf wake

[cobra_nuggets]

My boat search has been kind of hit or miss lately, but I keep coming across pretty good deals on 220's. Now i know that the wake is kind of temperamental (at least more than the 210), but I can deal w/ that for the right price. Does anyone have any pics of a surf wake on a 220? We board and skate a bit but will be doing lots of surfing. Thanks.

[dizzyj]

there is a pic somewhere on here of a 220 surfing, but I cant find it. In short, its probably the best boat for surfing out there. I think what makes it a temperamental wakeboard wake allows it to lean over easier for surfing.

[WakeSlayer]

I surfed a 220 last summer. It puts out a nice big wake. The one thing that was very noticeable was that with about 1200lbs it was like surfing along a wall. At times almost vertical. It was harder to play around on and quite difficult to throw 360's on because of the seemingly 90* angle at the bottom. I would imagine that by playing around with it we could have tuned it in better, but it was a single afternoon with a demo boat.
As far as being the best wave out there; I rode an 08 210 and thought that was far better, personally. I am naturally biased towards my own wave on my 99, too.

[BT]

220 surf wake pics

Wakeslayer gives an accurate description of the 220 surf wake I think. Although, it is the only boat I have surfed except for my super sport. I can't get enough weight in my super sport to even compare to the 220.

[cobra_nuggets]

BT- Is that your boat or a 220? How much weight were you guys running?

[WakeSlayer]

I can't get enough weight in my super sport to even compare to the 220.

You just need some help doing it. Based on my limited 220 experience, I defintely prefer mine to the 220. I will say the late model 210's have a fantastic surf wake. The RH SV211's also have a really good wake, but we had a tough time with the LH one we tried. Have not ridden a 230/236 so I cannot speak to that.

[tdc_worm]

i will throw my 2.5 cents in. the wider the boat, the longer the pocket you can/will throw. the narrorwer the boat, the steeper the wave. the more the weight bias is aft, the steeper and shorter the pocket, the more you move weight forward, the pocket will be less steep but longer. the 220 puts much more wetted surface in the water than the legacy 210 and will throw a much longer pocket (i.e. you can ride farther back). additionaly, with its ability to hold more ballast, you can build the wave bigger than the legacy 210.

the steepness of the 220 wave is good for airs and popping the board out of the water...i love steep waves for ollieing the board out of the water. the drawback is it forces you to be more precise with where you throw your spins to keep from losing the wave or pearling the board.

these pics are all from behind my 220...it surfs both sides equally as well...

[TRO]

that's a nice freakin' wave on that 220. geez.

[BT]

My friends 220

BT- Is that your boat or a 220? How much weight were you guys running?

Best I can estimate, it's about 2200 lbs water ballast.

WakeSlayer, what is your ballast setup? I would love to improve my super sport surf wake so I don't feel like I'm mooching off my buddy's wave all the time.

[WakeSlayer]

TDC, I remember those pics. You're wake is freaking awesome.

BT, I will dig up an old post for consistency's sake.It has been a long winter... 2200-2400 surf side is pretly close.

[RLS]

I am not sure I agree with the wider the the boat the better the wake. I have a LH 211. Divers side wake is ok other side can be great. We use 250 hard tank, 500 pounds in walkway 250 in bow. Nice wake with decent pocket. I have found after surfing several boats it is weight placement. Some boats need lots of weight. It seems like the wider the boat the more weight that is needed. Some boats need all the weight in the back corner others need it spread out. Some boats have great looking wakes but low push. Some wakes look small but have great push.

Some people like very tall wakes that are steep. I like a little smaller wake that is longer. I found in my boat that weight in the front helps and the correct speed.

[dizzyj]

ah..worm does not disappoint. Those were what I was looking for.

[tdc_worm]

I am not sure I agree with the wider the the boat the better the wake.

i imagine that was in response to my observations. just for reference, I never said wider was better. i did say that a wider boat will give you a longer pocket (obviously relative to weighting)...whichever you prefer is on you.

ah..worm does not disappoint. Those were what I was looking for.

just trying to make ya famous hahaha...

[jonfo]

I have a 220 and surf on port side, but have not surfed a new 210. For comparison I used to have a 1995 210, 2005 211, and surf behind a 08 VLX frequently. I would rate the overall quality (not just size) of the surf wake between the 4 boats I was able to dial in, in the following order:

1. VLX (wedge up)
2. 220
3. 211
4. old 210

If I would rate them purly on size the 220 is #1 and VLX is #2. Simply putting it, you can put a lot of weight in a 220 and it handles it well. The old 210 or 211 have a good shape but you have to go easy on volume of weight or I have found them to take on water quite easily when surfing so leave the bilge on. The 220 has a lot of freeboard so it is hard to over weight it for surfing. The VLX can be over weighted if you put too much in the rub rail goes under water and messes with the shape of the wake. You can make the 220 wake steep and hard to ride if you dont even out the weight between the front and back like mentioned in a previous post, but that is true with almost any boat.

I dont think any one v-drive is way better or worse than any another for surfing, they all have to be dialed in to get the wake optimal. None will be great without significant weight whether it is ballast or people. I have found wider and longer boats to have a better surf wake, so i would imagine the 230 is a bit better than the 220. I have also found that boats with a more square hull in the stern seem to have a wider more mellow surf wake, the VLX is like this, where the 220 is more of a V in the stern.

In my 220 I have the gate in ski mode, 10-12mph, factory port and center tank full, plus 150# lead in the nose, a 600# sac in the ski locker, a 400# in the port storage, 300# under the rear port seats, 400# on top of the port seats, 400# on the floor on the port side. These are all fly-high prox and two of them are plumbed into stock system, the other 3 have to be filled manually. This is the setup i use with 2-4 people in the boat, if there are more people then we will start by eliminating the floor sac, then on top of the seats, and so on. It may seem excessive, but I have played with less weight and placing weight in different places and this has been the best setup for advanced surfing 10-15 feet behind the boat. With the VLX we use slightly less weight volume, similar placement, wedge up.

[RainDog]

Holy crap! Serious wake envy!