Bring back the 196

[teamseal]

Yes I have a non cat 409 SE/OB running a 13X15.5 OJ .130 cup, Royal Purple 15W-40, super aligned shaft. Love the slalom pull with this set up. RPM at 34mph 3620 at 36mph 3820 only 150 rpm more than my 196 did at those speeds.
NOTE::: I do not run this prop for tournaments as the prescribed prop is a 654 ACME!!!!!
I do have the boat some what stripped out as all the bow cushions are removed, and the rear toe stubber step is also removed. Cant wait till it gets a little colder as I might be able to break 50 MPH.
Truly a great boat for three event skiing, puts the 196 to shame in most areas.

[behindpropellers]

Yes I have a non cat 409 SE/OB running a 13X15.5 OJ .130 cup, Royal Purple 15W-40, super aligned shaft. Love the slalom pull with this set up. RPM at 34mph 3620 at 36mph 3820 only 150 rpm more than my 196 did at those speeds.
NOTE::: I do not run this prop for tournaments as the prescribed prop is a 654 ACME!!!!!
I do have the boat some what stripped out as all the bow cushions are removed, and the rear toe stubber step is also removed. Cant wait till it gets a little colder as I might be able to break 50 MPH.
Truly a great boat for three event skiing, puts the 196 to shame in most areas.

Nice.

Sure would be nice if CC offered a bare bones boat like the SN Standard for those of us who want a bathtub with a motor and driver and observer seats.

Tim

[j2nh]

Jody, what kind of rpm's are you turning with the 409 and the standard prop? Top end?
Thanks Jim

[teamseal]

Jim with the standard prop 654 Acme Rpms at WOT is near 5500, top speed with this prop is 47 and a little.
With the 654 the boat comes out of the hole like a rocket where the OJ that I am running is a little bit sluggish, in comparison WOT RPM with the OJ is 5100 RPM. So yes I am running less RPM and going faster with the OJ over The Acme But would not want to pull an open men (35 MPH) jumper with this set up. We have a short slalom set up and My son Stephen is a 175 pound 38 off skier and we have no difficulty's getting the boat set before the 55's running the OJ.

Attached is the boat running at Cory's in full tournament trim pulling open Men slalom.

[behindpropellers]

Jody-

Can you pull fuel flow off of the computer in that boat?

Tim

[j2nh]

Thanks Jody
What about rpm's at 34 and 36 with the stock prop? Sounds like the OJ design is something CC should be looking at. I am trying to understand the exceptionally high rpm's associated with the Excalibur and this hull and wondering if the 409 fixes a part of the issue. Seems to me that it has to be related to prop slippage from either non-laminar waterflow at the prop face or cavitation from air being introduced under the hull.

Your son looks like he is tearing it up!

[teamseal]

Prop really has nothing to do with why the RPMs are high on the 5.7, other than currently this is the best prop for the product in question. keep in mind that this hull is designed for minium spray small wake signiture and driveability, the hull is bigger and the bottom atributes to accomplish spray, wake and driveability also increases the drag on the boat. This is the first year of the boat and we had to make performance tests for AWSA the boat is proped to accomplish the needs of tournament skiers. Their are numerous owners that are running different props for different applications and are sucesfull. As for why not the OJ? as an Owner you can alway's replace your prop just like you replace the tires on your truck. ACME has worked hard to provide the best product for Nautiques and OJ would like to have the business. It is a company decision as to who Correct Craft is involved with as partners maybe in the future a customer can have a choice.
" wondering if the 409 fixes a part of the issue" their is an old racers saying. Light is right! but their is no sustitute for cubic inches!!! The 409 is truly a great match for this hull as it will carry the load at lower rpms. You can lug this motor or wind it tight.
As far as running Fuel flow numbers, Yes I have that capability but do not see the need as the 6 liter boat that I am running really is not utilizing that much more fuel then my 196 6 liter.

[MARK-S]

Ski and drive

I have not skied or driven this boat, but with Will Bush and Terry Winter in the photos, you know that it must be up to spec.
If they can price this thing right, it could take the place of the 196 for all the private ski lakes and ski clubs that need bare bones ski machines for an affordable price.

[swc5150]

I have not skied or driven this boat, but with Will Bush and Terry Winter in the photos, you know that it must be up to spec.
If they can price this thing right, it could take the place of the 196 for all the private ski lakes and ski clubs that need bare bones ski machines for an affordable price.

Pricing is starting to be available for the Pro Carbon, and it looks good so far. The first one I saw has a tandem trailer, bimini, ZO, and PCM ZR6, stereo, etc, with a $48,895 retail. I'm guessing a 343 should be in the mid to upper $30's after putting pencil to paper? The boat doesn't even have carpet, just non-skid throughout, which I think is pretty cool. It's definitely a hard core ski boat, so we'll see how it performs. It does have some of the LE features, like air/water temp, MB Quart stereo (essentially a Clarion) There are 2 videos out there of the wake/spray at all speeds, and a drive by. The thing turns flat and the wake looks nice - the low speed wakes look incredible for those learning. No spray either, but I think most companies have that worked out. This boat might ended up filling a void.

[CAN'TSKI]

Sail and Ski in Texas was the top CC dealer last year. I remember my salesman telling me a couple of years ago, before the economy tanked, that they only sell a couple of 196's annually. 200 sales have been much bigger. I understand the nostalgia. Our ski boat is a 1995 MC Prostar 190 tournament complete with Juan Valdez, his jackass, and the spoiler net frame. That boat will be hard to let go, but I will soon need zero-off for my son.
Point being, until everyone can go out and have a 196 or PS190 AND a 211 or other wakeboard boat like we have, the old closed bow ski boat is obsolete for all but your older skiers. The new generation of water enthusiasts need to be able to put more than three people in a boat.

[MARK-S]

cant ski

I disagree,
There is a slew of private lake sites out there that turn boats every 1-2 years. Price and size are everything to the clubs that operate the lakes. Crossover boats are terrible at each sport they represent. You dont get a good wake for boarding and weighed down with a tower and OB, the ski wakes suck.
When our 196 is due to turn over, I know our club will take a very long look at the Carbon Pro. Right now the jury is out on resale and quality but if things pan out, it could replace the 196 as the new die hard ski boat.

[MattieK27]

I disagree,
There is a slew of private lake sites out there that turn boats every 1-2 years. Price and size are everything to the clubs that operate the lakes. Crossover boats are terrible at each sport they represent. You dont get a good wake for boarding and weighed down with a tower and OB, the ski wakes suck.
When our 196 is due to turn over, I know our club will take a very long look at the Carbon Pro. Right now the jury is out on resale and quality but if things pan out, it could replace the 196 as the new die hard ski boat.

Hasnt the 200 been proven to be better at every skiing?

[j2nh]

IF the Carbon Pro's performance matches the hype it will be a strong candidate to replace our clubs current 196's (two).

[CAN'TSKI]

There are several people running 200's on pure slalom lakes. If your lake is big enough for a slalom course, the 200 can navigate it. I will agree I like the handling "feel" better in the little boats. However, I do not believe private lake clubs buying boats every few years is enough. Most of the private lake boats I see these days are Malibus.