washy wake

[seanxtreme3000]

Hey guys,,, and girls if we have some

I am fairly new to the wakeboard boat ownership. I have a 2003 super air 210 TE in perfect condition. I am having a problem with getting the wake right. i have 2 very good wake-boarders that ride with me and we cannot get the wake to be clean. all ballast are full and doing about 22.2 MPH we have played with the speed and thats the speed that seams to be the best. i have PP and upgraded to the 2008 Double Line Display and software to V6.5. When we wakeboarding and cut out hard it seams to clean up, however the PP drops to about 19MPH (cant figure that out either) but right before we hit the wake it washes out. it is doing this on starboard and port side. any ideas on how to fix this.

[HS]

washy

What line length are you riding?

Also, is the Hydro - Gate setting to position #1?

[AbunDiga909]

There was no hydrogate on the 210s in 2003. Are you adding extra ballast on top of your stock? If not, you should have a pretty clean (and steep) wake around 70' out. Sometimes adding weight to the bow helps, but I don't know for this specific situation.

[seanxtreme3000]

THANKS GUYS, YA I DONT HAVE HYDRO. we have had the rope all the way out for them (sorry dont know what length) and then for me its about 25'maybe 30' from the boat. the only extra weight i have is 100 lbs lead block up front.

[Shooter]

There are a lot of variables to consider. I would start by letting the rope out to 75 ft, put more weight in the bow and speed up. I think my PP is a bit off, but the wake on my 03 doesn’t shape until 25.5. I have much more added weight than you so you may not need to speed up that much.

If you think it’s the PP, my older system has a "KDW" adjustment or "adjustable pull characteristic" that will help the boat react better when the rider is on edge. I have not needed to make this adjustment and do not have the updated system like you so I can’t help much with that.

[vanislwake]

i had a 2003 san te last season and i can tell you at 23-25 mph with the ballast full the wake shoudl be pretty clean, your pp should not be moving like it is, somethings worng there! be sure the prop hasn't been changed, if it has been thats a potential factor as well. For my rinding abilities (beginner-intermediate) i only fille dthe rear tanks half way, then the center was full and i added 300+ lbs in the bow. I find the secret to cleaning the wake in these boats is to add ballast to the bow!

basically:

more weight in rear= wide, steep and potentially washy
more weight towards the front= narrow, softer and clean

Try adding 300+lbs in the the bow, put the rope at 70-75ft and ride at 23mph, it should be money!

almost forgot, i'm looking at buying this sac fly high makes, product number w721 you should check it out, as long as it fits like it says i think this is gonna be a perfect solution to cleaning up your wake!

[gride300]

figure out your line length. make sure it's a wake rope that's non stretch. fill all ballast and start riding at 70'. that includes the handle. make sure even side to side distribution of wake. if one side is washier, add weight to that side.

[seanxtreme3000]

Thanks guys. haha maybe my rope is at 70 and they ridding at 75' not 30 like i said lol. ya it is one of those non stretch ropes that cost $100.00. ill look at that sack and see if i cant add it to the bow. awesome... so pumped to play more this weekend and get this fixed.

sean

[TRIP]

This thread made me thinking; is it possible to get a clean wake at lower speeds, like 18 mph? What's it like if you don't use any ballast at all?
I'd love to upgrade to a SAN, but since I run a wakeboardschool I have many people that are learning and ride at lower speeds. I know SAN's have been and are being used by schools anywhere, so it must be OK. Curious anyway.

[jimmyj]

OP - with the stock ballast and no extra weight besides people, the wake should be as clean as they get. 70 to 75 feet total should be the line lenth you are running at a minimum. GPS confirmed speed anywhere from 21 to 25. i only say gps cause PP are off a little sometimes. but in general, somewheres in the 21-23 range is a good start with no to stock ballast. if your pp is moving that much, somethinng aint right, especially for just stock ballast. the settings, the prop, the paddle wheel, something aint quite right.

make sure you dont have an 80 ft line (85 including the handle) this would cause the wake to be super wash at the speeds mentioned. lines have started getting longer. the standard used to be 70ft mainline, 5 ft handle. thats really all you need.

we run up to 2000lbs of ballast, 80-85 feet total line lenth, and somewhere around 24-25 GPS mph just to give you an idea.


TRIP - the 210 wake will be clean with no weight. im not sure at a speed of 18 tho. other than just gettign somebody up for the first couple times, it doesnt seem that the boat should be running that slow. if they are just starting and need 18mph, the wake shoudlnt matter as more than likely they are not going to be using it. different strokes for different folks, but i always take beginners at a minimum of 20.5-21mph or so. no reason to go slower. faster is almost easier. you arent so wobbly side to side, you have less pulling on you (ie gliding more on top of the water as opposed to sinking) and the wake gets firmer the faster you go. firmer = less effort to get pop. may or may not be a good thing for beginners now that i have said that. less effort = less technique. none the less, if the person is using the wake, 18 is too slow, at least in my 15+ years of riding/pulling experience. the last 4-5 being solely behind the 210.

[seanxtreme3000]

OK guys, i need help. i am having a tough time with the wake. we just cannot get it right. very wash at times move people around then it's ok but halfway through the pull it becomes washy. i did have a pro and a CC sponsored ridder with me friday and he thinks it's the PP, he thinks the pp solenoid that is attached to the throttle cable on the engine has seized.
my rope is 75-Ft all 3 tanks are fill and 200lbs up front. also 8 people(1400lbs)

Any ideas if it is the pp, pp solenoid or what.
p.s.. the wake looks washy pulling and just ridding

[seanxtreme3000]

o ya, this guy first rode at 100-Ft line then found out my wake was awful so he changed it to 85'. isn't that long, wow but he said thats his normal length

[gride300]

first of all it's not that hard. evenly weight the boat with just stock ballast, you obviously don't need more than that. set the boat speed at about 19mph w/ no rider and check to see if it's fast enough i.e. no wash out on either side. then get a rider behind the boat at 70' total length. adjust passengers or dumb bells until wake is not washy. it's simple. evenly weight boat=no wash. especially on that boat. it doesn't matter what the speed says as long as the rider is comfortable. go to perfectpass.com and print out what they say about kdw and nn and set to factory defaults. also try w/o pp if you can't get it. the only people i've ever heard of riding that long are keith lyman or randall harris and that's on an an insanely sacked out boat at about 28mph.

[Bevan]

Check out recall notice#9 in the Nautique Recalls menu on the PN home page,. This free dealer mod solved the PP speed issue I had with my 03, you could have the same thing going on with your boat?

[jimmyj]

its easy to check for a frozen solenoid. there is a black knob on the bottom side of the solenoid. reach down there and try to turn it. if you cant, its frozen.

100 ft is just dumb....