Help setup our 210 for surfing

[ctimrun]

Have been trying to dial in the surf wake on our 08 210 with some difficulty. Have the stock tanks and the fly high 400 lbs bags on top of them. Belly full and whichever side we are riding full plus stacking as many as possible (7-8 people) on whichever side we are riding. The wake looks ok, but we just can't seem to get the push needed to go ropeless. We have a CWB Ride board. Is it just technique from here? Board? Sink the boat more? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

One thing that I am very concerned about is the vent being so close to the water line. Besides being very careful to not take water over the bow, the handling is poor (like any boat I'm guessing) and I am stressed about taking water in the rear vent, especially when others drive for me to surf. Any ideas here? Or is that just the way the Nautique (or any boat with similar rear vents) rolls?

A new boat is in the works, and are considering getting into a bigger (230 maybe depending on surfability) or better surf boat. Am I wasting my time looking at different boats? Any and all opinions wanted.

Here is a picture of our starboard wave with stock ballast full, extra 200 lbs on top of rear tank (didn't fill the extra bag all the way to 400 lbs because the vent was very close to the water line), 7 people on starboard side with one sitting on the pad as you see.......

[RLS]

I have a 211 and we get a pretty good wave. One of the big thing in learning to surf is finding where the push is on your wave. I have found that most wakes are a little different. The push on my boat is fairly low on the wake. Other boats are higher. It sounds like you are getting close on weight.

Bigger boats can produce bigger waves but not always better. A quality board can make a difference. Also someone with experience can help. Good luck.

[lffish133]

ctimrun-

We were out surfing behind our 08 210 this morning. The surf wake behind this boat is great, you can surf either side with minimal weight in the boat. Today we were running the stock tank full on the side we wanted to surf and the belly tank full. Then we had all four people in the boat sit on that side also. Everyone was able to surf the wave easily without the handle, but we are all pretty experienced (I'm just pointing out that it can be done, so don't lose hope!).

Any way to help you with your problem you need to look at boat speed and foot position on the board. These two things have waaaaay more to do with whether you will ever be able to ride the wave without the handle than making your wave massive does. We usually surf between 9.4 and 10.0 depending on exactly how many people we have in the boat and how big the wave is.

For instance in the picture you have posted, your wave looks good to me, but the rider is way outside of the sweet spot. She needs to turn her shoulders in towards the wave to get the board pointing forward on the wave instead of pointing out away from it. This can be done by actually moving your feet closer to the toe edge of the board and looking at the wave instead of the back of the boat. If you are still having trouble letting go of the rope try moving forward on the board or using a wider stance by moving your front foot further toward the nose.

I wouldn't get a 230 because of this, hope this helps.

[DealsGapCobra]

I just surfed for the first time today so take my advise accordingly. I went with a friend on their X-30 and I was able to surf just fine but was much closer in than shown in your photo (maybe half way between where she is and the centerline). For everyone I saw today, by the time they got where she is they started to fall out.

[green210]

The setup that we have in our 08 210 is (all sacs are on the side you are surfing on) 750 in the rear locker filled up to as much as it can be. For the internal tanks we fill the belly and the tanks side we are surfing on. 400 in the seat in front of the rear locker filled as much as it can be and a 540 straight line sac in the bow wayy overfilled. We put it above the ski locker in the walk way. We also wind up "acidentaly" putting about another 200 pounds of water in the hull of the boat. This is for the starboard side and we taped the vents because they sometimes go underwater. On the port side we have the 540 in the front. Then we have 350 pounds in the back locker. That produces a bigger wake with a lot less sacs. That would be awsome if nautique could make a prop for the leftys like centurion has done. The wake on the port side with just that is a little bigger to centurions enzo sv230 with 600 pounds in the rear locker with 540 in the front. This is without the switchblade though.

[johnboyy7]

The setup that we have in our 08 210 is (all sacs are on the side you are surfing on) 750 in the rear locker filled up to as much as it can be. For the internal tanks we fill the belly and the tanks side we are surfing on. 400 in the seat in front of the rear locker filled as much as it can be and a 540 straight line sac in the bow wayy overfilled. We put it above the ski locker in the walk way. We also wind up "acidentaly" putting about another 200 pounds of water in the hull of the boat. This is for the starboard side and we taped the vents because they sometimes go underwater. On the port side we have the 540 in the front. Then we have 350 pounds in the back locker. That produces a bigger wake with a lot less sacs. That would be awsome if nautique could make a prop for the leftys like centurion has done. The wake on the port side with just that is a little bigger to centurions enzo sv230 with 600 pounds in the rear locker with 540 in the front. This is without the switchblade though.

could I get a pick of how you taped
up your vent.

I agree also that you have enough weight. Just need to work on technique and position. If that's the board I think it is (5'6"), it's really easy to
ride.

[aarond0083]

From the picture you posted the rider is outside of the wave and her shoulders are open. Shoulders need to come in so your weight is over your toes.

I'd say you have more than enough weight. We only use stock ballast plus people when surfing. I'd say work on your technique and try to get more inside where the sweet spot is. I've surfed numerous times behind the 210 without any additional weight just to see if I could do it. It's a great boat for surfing.

Keep practicing and you'll get it.

[captainbrad1]

Try to picture surfing as a controlled fall down the face of the wave when you are riding. This will help you stay on the part of the wave that gives you the "push" everyone is speaking of. There really is no "push".

[jimmyj]

turn the bilge pump on and dont worry about water in the vents.

[NautiqueJeff]

How fast are you going in that picture? Speed looks to be a little high to me.

[seanxtreme3000]

Green
where do you put ALL THOSE sacs. are they just laying on the lfoor board, i have a 03 SANTE and would like to add some more weight and cant seam to see where i could put more weight besides what i have (im sure i can put a sac on the 2 stocks on the back and one in the front). any ideas.

The setup that we have in our 08 210 is (all sacs are on the side you are surfing on) 750 in the rear locker filled up to as much as it can be. For the internal tanks we fill the belly and the tanks side we are surfing on. 400 in the seat in front of the rear locker filled as much as it can be and a 540 straight line sac in the bow wayy overfilled. We put it above the ski locker in the walk way. We also wind up "acidentaly" putting about another 200 pounds of water in the hull of the boat. This is for the starboard side and we taped the vents because they sometimes go underwater. On the port side we have the 540 in the front. Then we have 350 pounds in the back locker. That produces a bigger wake with a lot less sacs. That would be awsome if nautique could make a prop for the leftys like centurion has done. The wake on the port side with just that is a little bigger to centurions enzo sv230 with 600 pounds in the rear locker with 540 in the front. This is without the switchblade though.

[RLS]

Try to picture surfing as a controlled fall down the face of the wave when you are riding. This will help you stay on the part of the wave that gives you the "push" everyone is speaking of. There really is no "push".

That may be true for your boat but there is a push in my boat. The push is at the bottom of the wave and once we found it everything was much easier. We do not have this controlled fall down the face of the wave. You move up the wave to slow down and get to the bottom to pick up speed. The real push does not occur until you are at the sweet spot. You can try to surf from the top of the wave to two thirds down all day and you will struggle but once you get to the correct area the board takes off.

That is not true for all boats.

Someone said foot placement is key. I agree. If you do not have someone on the boat that has some experience it will take a while to figure things out. The speed also varies a lot. We surf between 9.8 and 10.5. The guys from Inland Surfer say the surf at 13.5 in their enzo. Keep trying and see if you can find someone around you to help. Also try different boards. I bet I have demoed 25 boards between my son and I. We are going to demo Calibrated today if everything works out. Keep trying.