SANTE 210 2005 wake surfing too close to platform

[bkey79]

Well got it this weekend! Had port side 750lb and front sac about half filled, 500lbs or so. Then added both 450lb-ers on the seats.. Might need to add the 350lb bag to it too, just worried about taking a roller since I had a very novice driver this weekend...

[ers906]

I have spent more time this summer teaching novice drivers with less weight in the boat than ever before. But I figure it is a good investment of time since one big wave over the bow or over the stern will ruin the day, and possibly the summer and the boat. I took a couple of people that I knew had interest in driving and spent half of a day just driving with varying amounts of weight and speeds to get them comfortable. I have been pleasantly surprised on how well that most of hte new drivers have done, and how much more relaxing the days are for me now that I am not the only driver that I think that it will be a prerequisite for the future.
Eric

[HS]

Bkey79

What speed were you running? I ask because maybe a little faster will clean up the wash...or is that the prop rotation?

[bkey79]

What speed were you running? I ask because maybe a little faster will clean up the wash...or is that the prop rotation?

PP set at 10. Tried 10.3 and the prop wash got worse... Thinkin a little more weight up front and maybe on the side. I still have a 350 locker sack, two 440lb launch pads and half of my front 1000lb sac available.. I'd just feel much more comfortable if I had a better driver and a calm lake before I loaded it up more... Rub rail was about 2" from the water sitting still...

[WakeSlayer]

try 10.5 or 10.8 even. Don't worry about water getting in the vent, take an old mouse pad or something of the like and plug the vent while you are surfing.
Just because the PP says 10, doesn't mean it is. I think you need more speed as HS stated.

[bowvan]

bkey79,

Your rub rail should be just above the water line when under way. Try slowing down a bit. I have good results with PP set at 9.3 - 9.8. If you have a center tank, fill it 1/2 to 3/4 full (this allows the water to lean to one side). If you put weight in the bow, it should be all the way over to the surf side of the boat. Also, check to see if your swim deck is digging into the wake while under way. If it is, you have too much weight in the back of the boat. The swim deck will create turbulence and act as a trim tab, throwing the nose of the boat down too much.

[ers906]

I never thought as the swim step acting as a trim tab. Has anyone had a problem with running too much weight? (short of sinking the boat) I think someone much smarter than me could actually figure an algebra formula to figure this out

[WakeSlayer]

Not really too much weight, but too off balance. My rear tanks fill under the deck, not on a scoop. I fill the rear 750 almost completely, and then dump 25-50 lbs out after we are under way to shape the wake. It is pretty surprising how much it affects it.

With respect to the PP speed settings, I do not think any of ours are running the same at those low speeds. They are designed to hold at much higher speeds. For one guy to say 9.3 is the speed, doesn't mean much. Nor does my saying 10.3. My friend and I have identical boats and are weighted within 50 lbs of each other. We run his at 9.5 and 9.8, where as we run mine at 10.3 and 10.5. They are the same speed regardless of what the PP says. You need to find the speed that looks and feels right on your wave, and use that. In my experience, I have never seen a wake get washed out and fixed by going slower. You have to increase speed to eliminate that problem.

[Dogma]

Thanks for all the advice. We put a fat sack in bow and played with speed, but wake was STILL too close to boat. Once the nose of the board actually hit the platform--I fell, of course! Do I need more weight???

[ers906]

Best wave I have had between my 02 SAN today, Longish pocket, riding 15 minute serious at a time.

Four people in the boat: total weight 550#
1100# Surf sac filled to capacity along my starbord V drive locker
350# sac in the ski locker
In the bow: 650# intergrated under the cushions, with a 750# bag filled in to about 70% cpacity.
About 200# under the surfside gunnel
and the surf wave sac shaped like and L (1150#) behind the driver and extending across the back seat

I HAVE THE ABILITY TO GET MORE WEIGHT SO THE SKY IS THE LIMIT...will somebody show me the perfect SAN 02 WAVE!!!!
I have 1 thousand pound of lead weight available, another 750 sac, amd can pic up some others. MY QUESTON IS HOW MUCH BETTER OF A WAVE WILL I be able to design

[ers906]

Try two

Try two

[WakeSlayer]

Dogma,

What board are you riding, what is the rider's weight? toeside, heelside, ? Port, starboard?

You should easily be able to get your boat set so anyone can surf it comfortably, but something isn't right. Have you had an experienced rider ride on it as it is set up now?

[bkey79]

Man I wish I was goofy footed...

Here was my best this weekend.. Can't get the port side to clean up...

Ok, fourth trip wakesurfing this summer... The wake is definintly getting better, but still no where near clean.. Is this the best this boat going to do on the port side?

1996 Super Sport Nautique (Super Air)

750 in the port locker
450 in back port corner
450 across back seat
850 in the nose
3 people
Perfect Pass set between 9.8mph and 10mph

[bkey79]

I'm also thinking that I need to take 1 of the 450's off the rear seat and put it on the observers seat... have the two 450's in line on that side...

[WakeSlayer]

Bkey79

At a glance, I would say you have too much weight in the rear, and maybe .2 mph too slow.

Frequently, my port is better than my starboard, which blows, since I am goofy. I have no idea why this happens. My buddy's twin boat is always better Starboard, and never very good port. identical weight, engine, year, boards, everything. I jokingly attribute it to the water temperature.