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  • horkn
    • Aug 2007
    • 270

    • WI

    • 78 CC Martinique, rebuilt floor and custom interior.

    #31
    Gm blocks are used because that is what PVM and others have been using,

    After Ford discontinued making the 5.8 W motors, (arguably the best marinized recreational boat motor), it was only a mater of time before all the old stock of blocks were used up. The stock of blacks made it after the 96 year when the 351w blocks were last made, until the 2002 model year. That's actually pretty good IMHO.

    Ford, as well as every other American car manufacturer was in a rough time in the late 90's into the early 2000's, some more so than others, hence the bail outs taken to keep them from bankruptcy. Note, Ford didn't take a bailout and part of the wise decisions they made prior tot he American automobile makers was to not proceed in the marinization of the triton series of V8s, 4.6, 5.4, and 5.4 supercharged v8s. Yes, there were some hiccups and failures int he test mule 5.4's, but who's to say on how hard they were pushing these motors? I bet had ford not scrapped the low volume money losing PCM opportunity to develop the triton motors for marinization, that tey would have quickly figured them out.

    Maybe we simply would have gotten closed cooling systems as a standard instead of RWC way earlier?

    The triton motors have no issue "lugging around 1500-2000" as was stated, as truck engines, that isn't an issue, and I seriously doubt that was the reason that any failures happened on the test mules. Anything else would be speculation.

    It's all speculation, but the test mule 5.4 SC marinized motors out there were probably making a lot more power than the 360-380 hp in the lightning pick up.

    Since GM motors (excaulibur and others) had been used for a while, it was easy to simply ramp up production of marinization of those. No speculation required on that one.

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    • tdc_worm
      Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
      • Feb 2004
      • 532



      #32
      Originally posted by horkn View Post
      Gm blocks are used because that is what PVM and others have been using,

      After Ford discontinued making the 5.8 W motors, (arguably the best marinized recreational boat motor), it was only a mater of time before all the old stock of blocks were used up. The stock of blacks made it after the 96 year when the 351w blocks were last made, until the 2002 model year. That's actually pretty good IMHO.

      Ford, as well as every other American car manufacturer was in a rough time in the late 90's into the early 2000's, some more so than others, hence the bail outs taken to keep them from bankruptcy. Note, Ford didn't take a bailout and part of the wise decisions they made prior tot he American automobile makers was to not proceed in the marinization of the triton series of V8s, 4.6, 5.4, and 5.4 supercharged v8s. Yes, there were some hiccups and failures int he test mule 5.4's, but who's to say on how hard they were pushing these motors? I bet had ford not scrapped the low volume money losing PCM opportunity to develop the triton motors for marinization, that tey would have quickly figured them out.

      Maybe we simply would have gotten closed cooling systems as a standard instead of RWC way earlier?

      The triton motors have no issue "lugging around 1500-2000" as was stated, as truck engines, that isn't an issue, and I seriously doubt that was the reason that any failures happened on the test mules. Anything else would be speculation.

      It's all speculation, but the test mule 5.4 SC marinized motors out there were probably making a lot more power than the 360-380 hp in the lightning pick up.

      Since GM motors (excaulibur and others) had been used for a while, it was easy to simply ramp up production of marinization of those. No speculation required on that one.
      speculation? this whole argument is speculation. those whom have seen me post know that i am the first to invoke debate...with the intent to be to learn. your whole post is unsubstantiated.

      as far as the OPs post is concerned (and I am the OP), boat manufacturers are limited when it comes to gasoline, car based power plants. Ford and Chrysler are out of the marinization game. that leaves GM, whom supplies all of the marinized blocks to every Mercruiser, PCM, Indmar, and Volvo Penta powered boat builders out there. so if you think your PCM powered boat has a more quality built engine than an Indmare powered Malibu, you are delusional. gm provides (much to CC, MC, and Malibu's dismay) a list of whom they provide their marinized blocks to here:

      http://www.gm.com/vehicles/innovatio...ed/listing.htm

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      • horkn
        • Aug 2007
        • 270

        • WI

        • 78 CC Martinique, rebuilt floor and custom interior.

        #33
        That's great that you think that way, but my reply was very well substantiated and on point.

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        • gride300
          1,000 Post Club Member
          • Apr 2008
          • 1356

          • mobile, al


          #34
          ya but you get different transmissions, fuel systems, exhaust, etc with pcm vs. indmar.

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          • tdc_worm
            Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
            • Feb 2004
            • 532



            #35
            Originally posted by horkn View Post
            That's great that you think that way, but my reply was very well substantiated and on point.
            i do get a little excited, especially after having a couple of man sodas and spending a day on the lake, hahaha. for that I apologize. wasn't trying to say you were right or wrong. by unsubstantiated, i was saying that you provided some points of argument, but none of it is supported by any references or otherwise easily provable data other than 1) domestic manufacturers have been sucking wind and 2) Ford did not take a bailout. I think we can all agree on those two points.

            i would love to learn about the lugging issues with modern engine design...just point us towards some credible references so we can explore...

            to get us back to the original argument, saying an PCM engine is better than an Indmar engine which is better than a Mercruiser engine is tantamount to saying that a Chevy 5.3L is better than a GMC 5.3L....it just doesnt make sense...

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            • horkn
              • Aug 2007
              • 270

              • WI

              • 78 CC Martinique, rebuilt floor and custom interior.

              #36
              It's all good, but as a motor designed for truck duty, doing 1500-2000 rpm all day isn't an issue. I think any ford engineer that knows the triton motors would back that up.


              Indmar, PCM, mercruiser, all are really the same thing now.

              Didn't moomba make their own motors for a while with 383 GM based strokers? Like the early to mid 2000's? I see now they are all indmar and the same as all the other brands.

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              • maxpower220
                • Feb 2008
                • 116

                • Florida


                #37
                No, Moomba started off with PCM motors and then switched to Indmar. Malibu did use the 383 HammerHead a lot in the late 90s- early 2000s.


                Having owned a Mercruiser, I can tell you that I hated their method of impeller pump. It was the most difficult method of replacement of any motor that I have seen.

                Another aspect of engines that no one has brought up is physical size. The modular motors that Ford build are very wide. In a DD this is a real problem and it doesn't really help in the V with storage space either.

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