Pre- 07 SAN Surf Guide: Building a Wave

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  • bowvan
    • Aug 2005
    • 100

    • sacramento


    Pre- 07 SAN Surf Guide: Building a Wave

    Due to an infinite number of variables, I think it would be more productive to discuss how to “build” a good surf wave using the known limitations and characteristics of the pre ’07 hull, rather than post our individual set ups.

    These are the characteristics and limitations I have found with my ’04 SAN. PLEASE ADD YOUR FINDINGS and let’s see if we can come up with a guide for building a good surf wave.

    1. As with all boats, you will have limited success with a surf wave in water less than 20ft deep. (Not saying you can’t in less than 20ft.)
    2. There is a point of diminishing return with the SAN hull. It can be easily overloaded. Signs of overloading are; rub rail under water, swim platform digging into the wave and/ or never achieving a clean face. It’s best to start with a smaller amount of weight. Your first goal should be to generate a clean faced surf wave. You can then add weight to increase size as you ride. Fill your manually filled ballast first (or move people), and then add your auto ballast while you’re under way. (Opposite for those who’s auto ballast doesn’t fill while under way. Fill auto ballast completely, and then empty while under way.)
    3. Prop rotation is a factor with this hull. You can ride both sides successfully, it’s just the opposite side tends to have a smaller window of opportunity to get it rite. Results from opposite side improve greatly by removing as much weight from the prop rotation side of the boat. For example, when building a port side wave on a right hand rotation boat, it is helpful for the driver to drive from the port side observer seat. (Most likely not legal, but safe if you wear a lanyard and a lifejacket.)
    4. List is everything. You need to get the rub rail just above the water line (while under way). Understand that if you add a large bag to the bow of the boat and it’s not completely over to one side, you can adversely affect the wave. The same can be true of center weight.
    5. Weight the boat evenly front to back as best as you can. In general, rear weight bias produces a steeper/ taller wave that is closer to the boat. Front weight typically produces a shorter/ flatter wave that is longer. Keep in mind that the ability to trim the wave by adding rear or front weight bias is limited to small percentage changes only. Changing your speed is most often an easier and more effective way to alter the wave’s characteristics.
    6. Speed is relative to the amount of weight in the boat, weight of the rider and size/ style of the board. More weight usually requires more speed. If you are not getting enough drive out of a clean faced wave, slow down. If you have plenty of drive, but are too close to the boat, speed up.
    7. Boards do make a difference. Larger riders need larger boards, bigger fins, or both. If you don’t know how to generate your own drive, you have to rely almost completely on the drive of the wave and the ability of your board to trim (maintain speed while moving straight). If you are a big beginner, you need a big board.
    8. Because of the size of the gunnels and the shape/ size of the swim deck, SAN hulls do not produce “monster” waves. They do produce a very good sized wave that has great transition and drive. Your skill and board selection should be your only limitation to achieving a ropeless ride!
  • gride300
    1,000 Post Club Member
    • Apr 2008
    • 1356

    • mobile, al


    #2
    20ft. depth? seems a little on the deep end, pun intended. i'd say 10ft.

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    • Chexi
      1,000 Post Club Member
      • Jan 2025
      • 2119

      • Austin

      • 2000 SAN

      #3
      Thank for for this thread. While my 99 Air's hull is not identical to the pre-2007 SAN, it's close enough for this to be a really helpful guide in finding a better surf wake than I have so far. I will be printing this out and taking it with me. Thanks again.
      Now
      2000 SAN

      Previously
      1999 Air Nautique
      1996 Tige Pre-2000
      1989 Lowe 24' Pontoon / Johnson 100HP outboard

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      • RainDog
        • Jan 2008
        • 64

        • Wauwatosa/Green Lake WI

        • 1962 Classic 2002 SAN -Python Powered-

        #4
        Good idea for a thread. Strategies are always better than recipes.

        If you are listing to the rub rail while underway, on some model years (2002 specifically, maybe more) you can get water in your gas tank from the gas tank through hull vent.
        1962 Classic
        2002 Super Air -Python Powered-
        Many more to come....

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        • WakeSlayer
          1,000 Post Club Member
          • Sep 2005
          • 2069

          • Silver Creek, MN

          • 1968 Mustang

          #5
          Bowvan,

          Solid piece for people trying to get started. Thanks on behalf of all of us surfers.

          This topic gets re-started far too often. This should be a sticky.
          the WakeSlayer
          1999 Super Air - Python Powered <-- For Sale
          1968 Correct Craft Mustang

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          • ers906
            Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
            • Feb 2010
            • 921

            • Phoenix AZ

            • 2013 G23 550 hp (ordered and awaiting delivery) 2002 Super Sport (coverted into a SAN) 330 hp Excaliber 1994 Sun Tracker Party Barge 115 hp 1989 Horizon 200 Four Winns - sold 1989 Regal Commodore 280 - previous Possibly looking into picking up a 70'2-80's Nautique to rebuild as a ski boat

            #6
            Raindog, I actually moved my fuel vent forward of the tower which helps immensely (as well as better piece of mind).
            I know that most have found that the less is more as far as weight creating a good wave, but I have not found that to be the case. I run a fair amount of weight:
            650# integrated bow sac
            ~500# (750 V-drive sac not filled to capacity) on the surf side bow
            350# in the belly/ski locker
            ~950# in the V-drive surfside (an 1100# sac filled as full as space will allow)
            1150# surf sac (L-shaped sac from flyhigh) on surf side
            200# of weight on surf side (usually left over from balancing wake from wakeboarding)

            I think it produces a pretty good wave (keep in mind that this is all on the stbd side, since I am lucky enough to have most of my buddies and myself ride goofy). I have not tried this out on the port side. I am thinking about emptying the belly sac to try to even the weight out fore and aft a bit. The wave is solid enough and produces enough force that you can ride without the rope for a good 10-12 minutes, longer if you are in better shape than I. Granted I ride surf style and not skim style, so while I am hitting the lip, kicking the tail out, occs'l 360, I am not catching air, etc.

            Does anyone have any pics of their waves? Esp with riders on them? Just want to see what the less is more wave looks like.

            Thanks
            Eric
            Eric, Phoenix AZ

            G23 550 hp (finally here)
            2002 Super Air
            1994 Sun Tracker Party Barge 115 hp

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            • ers906
              Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
              • Feb 2010
              • 921

              • Phoenix AZ

              • 2013 G23 550 hp (ordered and awaiting delivery) 2002 Super Sport (coverted into a SAN) 330 hp Excaliber 1994 Sun Tracker Party Barge 115 hp 1989 Horizon 200 Four Winns - sold 1989 Regal Commodore 280 - previous Possibly looking into picking up a 70'2-80's Nautique to rebuild as a ski boat

              #7
              Sorry forgot to add the pics
              Attached Files
              Eric, Phoenix AZ

              G23 550 hp (finally here)
              2002 Super Air
              1994 Sun Tracker Party Barge 115 hp

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              • WakeSlayer
                1,000 Post Club Member
                • Sep 2005
                • 2069

                • Silver Creek, MN

                • 1968 Mustang

                #8
                Originally posted by ers906 View Post
                I run a fair amount of weight:
                650# integrated bow sac
                ~500# (750 V-drive sac not filled to capacity) on the surf side bow
                350# in the belly/ski locker
                ~950# in the V-drive surfside (an 1100# sac filled as full as space will allow)
                1150# surf sac (L-shaped sac from flyhigh) on surf side
                200# of weight on surf side (usually left over from balancing wake from wakeboarding)
                That adds up to a tad more than "fair", Eric.

                Here is mine from memory.

                750 lb sac riders side, not quite full approx 650-700
                400 lb sac riders side seat
                400 lb sac in belly
                200 lb lead under rear side seat
                250 lb lead (stbd) behind and next to driver seat. (port) under gullwing against hull
                180 lb steel walkthru
                200 lb lead in bow, under seats

                10.3 - 10.5 on PP

                I also have about a 200lb advantage with my motor being the beast that it is.

                Here is a pic of my port wave, will find a couple starboard pics and post them.

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                the WakeSlayer
                1999 Super Air - Python Powered <-- For Sale
                1968 Correct Craft Mustang

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                • icewake
                  • Jun 2004
                  • 42

                  • Canada


                  #9
                  Hey guys just wondering with all that weight aren't you concern about damaging you tranny, motor or v drive ?
                  I'm just wondering how much strain this much weight applies on the mechanics...

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                  • WakeSlayer
                    1,000 Post Club Member
                    • Sep 2005
                    • 2069

                    • Silver Creek, MN

                    • 1968 Mustang

                    #10
                    Nope.
                    the WakeSlayer
                    1999 Super Air - Python Powered <-- For Sale
                    1968 Correct Craft Mustang

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                    • ers906
                      Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                      • Feb 2010
                      • 921

                      • Phoenix AZ

                      • 2013 G23 550 hp (ordered and awaiting delivery) 2002 Super Sport (coverted into a SAN) 330 hp Excaliber 1994 Sun Tracker Party Barge 115 hp 1989 Horizon 200 Four Winns - sold 1989 Regal Commodore 280 - previous Possibly looking into picking up a 70'2-80's Nautique to rebuild as a ski boat

                      #11
                      That is a nice port wave, Wake. Looks a bit longer than mine. How far off can you ride from the swimstep? I am about ten to fifteen feet for the sweetspot, all the way back to twenty or so for short periods of time before I have to adjust to regain speed. I am glad that I can get a decent wave to ride. Broke a rib wakeboarding a couple of weeks ago, and it kills me not to get wet. Surfing is pretty much painless for my rib, except when I have to paddle after I fall. No fun

                      I am not too worried about the mechanical strains on the engine. I havent sen a huge spike in RPMs while moving under weight. I also try to be meticulous in my engine care. I replace the fluids every 50 hrs, which I have already done three times this summer alone. i have changed the impeller once, and am getting ready to do it again in 20 hours or so (200 hrs this summer alone). I think that if you take care of your engine, it will last a couple of thousand hours.

                      Anyone else care to weigh in?
                      Eric, Phoenix AZ

                      G23 550 hp (finally here)
                      2002 Super Air
                      1994 Sun Tracker Party Barge 115 hp

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                      • icewake
                        • Jun 2004
                        • 42

                        • Canada


                        #12
                        Guys don't get me wrong I love surfing when the lake is crap or my back is hurting too much, I was just curious of the strain the mechanics was getting with that weight,

                        Anyways, that wake looks awesome! good idea to start this thread, I just found out that I still can put a lot more than my 1200lbs plus stock ballast. If I can this weekend I'll take pics of the wake with my ballast settings.

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                        • ers906
                          Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                          • Feb 2010
                          • 921

                          • Phoenix AZ

                          • 2013 G23 550 hp (ordered and awaiting delivery) 2002 Super Sport (coverted into a SAN) 330 hp Excaliber 1994 Sun Tracker Party Barge 115 hp 1989 Horizon 200 Four Winns - sold 1989 Regal Commodore 280 - previous Possibly looking into picking up a 70'2-80's Nautique to rebuild as a ski boat

                          #13
                          I had the same questions for my mechanic when was designing my ballast system.
                          Eric, Phoenix AZ

                          G23 550 hp (finally here)
                          2002 Super Air
                          1994 Sun Tracker Party Barge 115 hp

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                          • Red57Bird
                            Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                            • Aug 2007
                            • 381

                            • Raleigh, NC/Lake Gaston

                            • 2003 Super Air

                            #14
                            Originally posted by gride300 View Post
                            20ft. depth? seems a little on the deep end, pun intended. i'd say 10ft.
                            I've found that 15 ft. is about the minimum depth to create a good, rideable wave. Our wake drops considerably when we ride back in some of the shallower coves.
                            2003 SAN (current)
                            2003 Chaparral 220 SSi (sold)

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                            • obd666
                              Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                              • Feb 2010
                              • 793

                              • Bostian Heights, NC

                              • 03 SANTE

                              #15
                              while im sure that a bigger boat makes it easier to build a big surf wake, i think those wakes look great coming from a 210
                              2003 SANTE - "OG 210"

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