what kind of boat is this?

[thompson1031]

Guy is stating its a Super Air Nautique....(is this true?)

http://orlando.craigslist.org/boa/2083632970.html

[NautiDave07]

Yes it is a 210 no way to tell from photos it is a Team edition or not?

[Shooter]

Def a 04 210..34k sounds about right for a team. You may be able to talk him down a bit because it's winter, but not much if it's clean

[SkiTower]

An 04 with 30 hours on it? Definitely check and make sure things still work...

[jmo]

Hmm, I agree the 30 hrs on the boat is very odd, to me it means one of three things:

1. The hours are not correct, 300 would be reasonable given 40 hours/summer. Maybe it's a typo?

2. The hour meter was replaced at some point and hence it has 30 hours since it was swapped. I believe on this motor you can have a tech pull the actual hours used directly from the engine.

3. It really has 30 hours meaning it was used for one season and had sat dormant for 5 or 6 years - hence the importance of ski towers advice to make sure everything works. I wouldn't buy a car or boat that had been moth balled that long.

Hope this helps,

JMO

[DanielC]

Ask about the service records. If the boat was used for only one season, or two, and "parked" in a winterized condition, it should be OK. (fuel stabilizer in the fuel, engine cylinders fogged properly)

I am pretty sure you can get the actual engine hours from the engines computer. If I am not mistaken, all the engine data comes from the engine on a "Assembly Line Diagnostic Link" and then goes to a gateway box, and the box translates the data to serial signal, combining all the data, and basically one cable goes to all the gauges, daisy changed together, and each gauge pick off the data it needs, and sends the data on to the next gauge. I think this system is used on the Team, and Limited editions of the boat. the Team and Limited editions will also have the pushbutton start, and accessory switching.

The Signature editions will have a conventional key type ignition switch, and conventional switches for the accessories. The gauges may be analog, meaning there is a wire for each gauge, that goes to a sender on the engine, and that is the only function of that wire. The engines in the signature editions boats will still have Assembly Line Diagnostic Link. You can get engine hours from that, even if the boat has had a new hour meter put in it.

My opinion. The signature edition is more desirable for two reasons. First, it is a more reliable system. Look back at the threads on this forum, you will find several threads about keypad problems. Second, they were sold at a lower price than the Limited, or Team editions.

30 hours on a six year old boat is uncommon, but not unheard of. Some people put hundreds of hours of use on a boat a year. Someone else has to let their boat sit to come up with an average of 30 or 40 hours use per boat, per year.

Last piece of the most important advise I can give you.
Go and test drive the boat. Ride behind it. While on the test drive, make sure every function, and switch works.
If you think the engine is not perfect, and with 30 hours, it really is not even broken in fully yet, have a trusted mechanic check it out.

[horkn]

Yes, that motor can have the real engines hours pulled from it. That's about the only upside to GM PCM's.

As long as it was stored properly, I would have no issue with buying a boat/ car any toy that ahs been mothballed that long. Of course some thing like a RWP impeller and such will be strongly advised.

[Erik]

At the very least it has the 2004 tower so a 2004 SAN is the right guess.

It baffles me that the Ford PCM, like the GT40 that so many of us have, can not have their actual hours pulled electronically. Is it just me or is that just super bizarre?

[DanielC]

I believe the engine control computer is supplied to PCM, (the company that converts the engines to marine use) by Ford.
Although the engine is an "automotive" engine, it really started out at Ford as an "industrial" engine, and probably the last time the Ford engineers paid any attention to the 351 "GT-40" computer was in the early 1990's, or maybe in the late 1980's.
I really cannot remember when Ford announced that they were no longer going to make the 351, but when they did, PCM decided to buy pretty much all the remaining 351 engines Ford had. I think Ford made this announcement around 1999, or 2000, and there were enough engines to supply PCM, and Correct Craft until sometime in the 2002 model year.
When the hardware engineers, and software developers were working on the the computer used on the Ford GT-40 marine engine, digital dashboard gauges did not exist. It was probably thought that if you wanted to know the hours on an engine, you would put an analog hour meter on it.

[horkn]

96 was about the last year of the 351w 5.8. They used it in the F150 through 96, but the 97 model F150's had all the modular OHC motors. Ford had replaced the OHV 5.0 (302) and 5.8(351) with 4.6 SOHC and DOHC motors in cars starting in 94 in the crown vic and T bird. 96 was the first year for the cammers in mustangs and the end of the 5.0 and 5.8. 97 F250's and 350s you could have the 5.8, and 460 IIRC. I do know that the cammers were not available in the old style 97 F250 and 350. They used the old OHV pushrod v8's. The OHC motors were being phased in because they were more efficient, had less NVH, and were more smog friendly. Actually the GT40P head we love so much for boat use on 351W's was made for the 96 v8 explorer to make it more smog friendly, and in doing so they came across easily the best cast iron stock head for a 302/ 351W. The explorer used the 5.0 with GT40P heads about 96 through 2001. Older v8 explorers had regular iron Gt40 heads, and the exact dates when the P heads came into play is a mystery. The explorer my GT40P heads came off of was supposedly only to have regular gt40, not P's on it due to it's build date. It appears ford had a number of 5.0 explorers that came with GT40P heads before the mostly agreed upon month that P's were only available with came around. The 02+ explorers were all new, and had 4.6 V8's optional. The end of 2001 was the end of new pushrod gas v8's from ford.

Yes, the Engine control came from ford, for PCM. As stated, PCM did not make their own ECM. That same EEC-IV engine control from ford is the same as in passenger cars from what I can tell. The only real difference in the electronics is that there is no oxygen sensors in marine use, for obvious reasons with wet exhaust.

If anything, I am amazed that GM put a little new tech into their old school pushrod OHV motors and had the ECM log hours. Even more amazing is that GM still uses the old tech pushrod motors. GM is basically the only manufacturer left that has this antiquated tech.

[erkoehler]

After having sat that much you will want to change all fluids, impellers, filters, and depending if the fuel was treated or not you may want to start with fresh fuel or at least check it.

On the trailer check the tires for dry rot, bearings will need service, and check the brakes/fluid.

Could be a great find for the right price with a good pre-buy inspection!