211TE vs 210TE

[jonfo]

I read some older posts on the SV211 and saw the pictures of the wakes. I checked it out at the boat show also. I have a 1995 super sport so i am familiar with the 210 hull and wake. I have some questions for those familiar with both the 210 and 211:

-Is the 211 wakeboard wake as good as the 210 with the right weighting?
-Is the weight of 3800lbs accurate? the 210 is about the same size and only listed at 3200, the 226 is much larger and only is listed at 3900. If it really is 3800 + the 730 balast it should be more weight for the surface area vs the 210 before adding extra weight.
-The walkway through the back looks nice. But it looks like it could hurt surfing because the lack of a place to put weight in the corner and lack of seating in that corner.
-I dont ski, so the gate device wont do much for me that i can see.

[skinautique]

RE: 211TE vs 210TE

The wake is adequate but it will have a different shape to it. It won't have as much of a "lip" at the top of the wake. It will be more gradual. There is storage (room for more ballast) underneath the walkway. The weight of the boat is accurate. It has a different building process than the other models.

[surfsup]

I've ridden behind both and prefer the 211 wake. The 210 wake has a small trough while the 211 provides a smoother transition (no down and back up as you approach the wake). I have small children and the walk through is invaluable.....

[jonfo]

surfsup,
Thanks for the info about the wakes. Has anyone owned a 210 and switched to a 211? I am looking for a comparison of the two boats overall. Every review i have read only compares the 211 to itself, not to the 210. I havent heard anybody say any negatives about the 211 either, makes me suspicious. although..nobody on pn would do that anyway.

[thutch]

Here's my 2 cents (for what it's worth). The 210 is the ultimate wakeboard boat.. IMO it has the best wake out there and there is not another boat that is similiar to it. I only wakeboard, usually go out wiht 4-6 of my friends and don't have kids, so the boat works for me. I think the 211 was built to be a crossover boat for A. The new family where dad is a skier but the kids all wakeboard and B. someone looking for a good wakeboard boat that has more room than the 210..

As far as surfing, I think you could put a fact sack in the walkthrough to create a surf wake.

I have no idea on the weight.. I'm headed to the dealership tonight and will try to lift each up and let you know which one is heavier... just kidding

[Harry_Potter]

We used a 211 and a 210 to pull the Live 2 Ride Wakeboard Tour in the UK. We pulled 3 stops with a 210 and used a new 211 for the last stop to introduce it to the customers.

The riders said that the 210 was still the daddy ! The wake is steeper and has more of the lip as mentioned earlier. It just kicks you harder, no doubt.

The 211 was well received though and again as mentioned the transition is smoother. It still kicks, but not as much as a Super. Wake is a little easier to manipulate with the Hydrogate - it does seem to actually work.

They were the riders genuine comments....

[mike-d]

210 team / 211 team

I noticed you had a super sport, you will love the team 210, same wake characteristics, more weight, nice huge ramp, lip, boot, etc. You will need to weight the bow evenly 60-40 bias to the rear,etc, and probably want the acme 644 prop.

the 211 team is a nice family boat, the one thing I like about it is you can have a nice wake at 17-22mph, which is good for the kids learning to ride. Anything higher and the wake disapears, or you will have to add some extra ballast, 1000 pds in the rear, and 600pds in the walkway.

Mike
2001 san, 2500pds of internal ballast.

fyi
my best friend has a 2004 team 211, zr6, and fully loaded with the stock ballast, it doesnt compare to a fully loaded stock team 210. I have compared his boat to my friends 2003 team 210, there is no comparison. But, I know that if you load up the 211 with 3000pds, it will throw a sick comparable wake to the team 210, just not as bootable as the 210's wake.

[SGY]

RE: 210 team / 211 team

Uhhhhhh, Mike-d, translate dude. What is "bootable"?

[TylerO]

RE: 210 team / 211 team

B. someone looking for a good wakeboard boat that has more room than the 210..

I fall in this categorization by THutch. I liked both boats but the new 211 Team will be here next week ( photos coming soon). The walkway, storage and layout worked really well for me and the whole family. I found the wake more rampy less abrupt than the 210 which meets our needs well. I will probably weight the boat eventually but we've got some progression ahead of us first.

[mike-d]

clarification

bootable....to be booted in the air Yellow_Flash_Colorz: the 210's wake is like no other.... when properly weighted, the lip boots you up, not out. On the team 211, the wake is more ramp like, actually has a trailing lip on it from the boat? I guess this is for the flatter table? I dont know why the wake has this type of lip on top of the wake? Hope this clarifies my bootable term.

Mike
ask any super air owner what bootable means :grin:

[jeffsv211]

RE: clarification

TylerO --- ok, so now I'm jealous!!!! Mine is Still in storage.. wrapped up nice and pretty! I can't wait to see some more 211 pics! Next week is our boat show, I'll get my fix there! of course, the temps here are single digit and almost a foot of snow on the ground!

[clubmyke]

have a 211 and i am experimenting with lead(have factory ballast also)...fyi, i am new rider and boat owner....

was out last week with 5 people and 400 lbs of lead...the wake was pretty good at 21-22mph

was out on a friends 210 with 2000lbs of ballast and 4 riders...the wake was killer (speed was 23mph-24mph)

in speaking with the local dealer, the 211 has a different hull(wider) and requires less extra ballast weight (the boat weighs more - the stock wake with ballast is pretty good) and the speed is 21 mph.

will try again with 160lbs in the bow, and 160-200 lbs in each rear storage area plus factory balllast)

btw wakes are good but different...a local rider geoff maus HUGH AIR when he was behind my 211 ( we were in awe- really nice guy and great rider)...

though i am new, after riding behind a loaded san, i really like it- ithe extra weight really cleans up the wake and makes riding easier.....

we went with the 211 because of the interior, love the rear transome and snap in/out carpeting..(originally had a 210 on order)

i dont think you can go wrong with either, both are awesome boats..
would suggest riding behind both loaded and deciede from there...

[FatBoy]

clubmyke,

I have been running 1000 lbs of lead in my SV-211 without tanks and love the wake. My wife hates it for sking thou. So when my new team 211 gets here I will put 120 lbs of lead in each side on the back and 180 lbs in the bow, that should not effect the ski wake enough to bother my wife with the tanks empty and still give us 1150 lbs of ballast with the tanks full.

I really love the smother transition of the 211 wake, we get all the air you could need.

Can't wait to get my new boat.

[surfsup]

The 211 can definitely serve up a "pro" level wake - CC team riders like Watson prefer the 211 over the 210. It's really up to you - if you like the "bootable" transition or more of a ramp. If you've got a family - then the 211 is definitely easier getting them in and out using the walk through transom but you can't go wrong with either....

[mike-d]

team's

Collin,
when I spoke to Watson, he has over 3000pds in the boat, and rides with the gate in the middle? He said it made the transitions better at that position.

Call me when your in Orlando, bring your gonzo.

Mike