2002 210 big block vs 115 long shaft check mate

[nautique230]

so my dad and I are betting that a 02 210 big block 430 hp 8.1 leter will beat our neighbours 115 long shaft check mate.
Im asking you guys here because you may know better than us. But we have 3 times the horse they do and they still dont think they will win and im thinking that if they see enough people (that know for a fact ) than they will finnaly see that they are wrong.
btw i know most of you are saying just race him but we dont have the boat yet that will be soon and than we will see who wins for sure ill keep you posted!!
thanks in advance.

[DanielC]

I had a 16 foot Tahiti, with a 135 Merc 6 in line, and power trim. This was before GPS. With about a 1/4 tank of gas, it would go an indicated 52 to 53 MPH. With four people, it would consistently do over 45.

I could see this race going either way. But if the neighbor has done any work on getting the checkmate set up properly, I would give the edge to the outboard.
And I have been in a 2001 Super Air, with the 502 Python engine, and a 1999 Ski Nautique, with the same engine.

[DealsGapCobra]

If you mean "beat" as higher top speed, you might be disappointed. Your new boat is not, in any way, designed for top speed. Now, if you challenge him see how many skiers you can pull out of the water...

PS - I just saw a youtube video that showed a 115 HP Check Mate indicating about 44 mph.

[Chexi]

This may also depend on what prop your boat comes with. If it has a 1464 on it, you may be disappointed. You are also going to give him several boat lengths off the line. The winner of the race may be determined by how long the race is.

[johnboyy7]

If you mean "beat" as higher top speed, you might be disappointed. Your new boat is not, in any way, designed for top speed. Now, if you challenge him see how many skiers you can pull out of the water...

PS - I just saw a youtube video that showed a 115 HP Check Mate indicating about 44 mph.

our boats are built for power, not speed. this leads to my favorite question at the boat ramp "how fast will that thing go?" me "oh bought 42". them " thats all". me " yup, but it will pull a ryno out of the water".

a buddy of mine put a top end prop on his boat, ski supreme i think, and he said it did not like high speeds (50ish) at all. it really started porpousing and listing.

[TRBenj]

You can get plenty of speed out of these boats... if you know what youre doing. Some hulls are more prone to "interesting" behavior than others. Porpoising is usually not a bad thing, as it gets more hull out of the water. Rudder stalls and chine locking are not as good, as they can be unpredictable and uncontrollable. I have seen several CC's that run in the 55-60mph range that start to do some strange things at high speed.

If that Python 210 is propped correctly, I wouldnt be surprised if it were good for for 50-52mph. Obviously if you have it propped down (or even up) that may go down significantly. No idea if you can beat that Checkmate or not... but if its a fairly light boat built for decent speed, you may be in trouble.

[CradGen2]

I agree Nautiques aren't made for racing. We had a 1999 Sport with a DD 502. Ran 57 MPH. We had a SS VD with a 502 ran 55 MPH. Still I don't think they are for racing.

There is a guy at our marina who want to race my 2006 196 with a 330. He has 2006 206 claiming it will run 50 MPH with a 330. I did GPS (2 gps units)my boat with me and 2 women (about 270 extra LBS) and it ran 48.1 on GPS. if both gps units are correct it will be the fastest nautique I have owned. That was with Acme 422 prop and bimini up and 1/4 tank of gas.

[chris196]

You should sell the nautique and buy a Baja.
Seriously, you could easily be beat. Boat speed is a function of horsepower and wetted surface. Nautiques have a lot of wetted surface by design.

Haven't you ever seen a bass boat screeming across a lake with about 6" of the back of the hull in the water.
I had a 19' I/O with a 175HP V6. Now I have a 19'6" SN with a 310HP V8. The I/O was faster top end.
But the SN will pull out a stump.

[Chexi]

I was asked on Saturday by one of my passengers on my 2000 SAN, "so how fast will this boat go?" My answer, "don't know... don't care."

[tourpro]

I was asked on Saturday by one of my passengers on my 2000 SAN, "so how fast will this boat go?" My answer, "don't know... don't care."

Shoulda said, "Stupid fast if I price it right".

[chris196]

I was asked on Saturday by one of my passengers on my 2000 SAN, "so how fast will this boat go?" My answer, "don't know... don't care."

It's like the Rolls Royce owner when he is asked how much horsepower the car has.
Answer: "Enough."

[Chexi]

I like "enough" better. I will use that from now on.

[TurboFan]

I had a friend ask me what kind of boat I bought. Told her it was a SANTE 220. She had no idea what it meant. She asked how many it could sleep, I said it depends, but there's no cabin. She asked how long it is, I told her 22'. She asked if it goes fast, I said no, only about 40. She was perplexed. "What's the point of it?" I told her I could pull an elephant on a canoe paddle and kick a 30" wake in the process. She began to understand.

[Chexi]

When I started looking for my first boat way back when (say 2005), I had only heard of Nautiques as Ski Nautiques. I had no idea they made a wakeboard boat. My friend who was more familiar with the sport recommended Malibu or MasterCraft. I ultimately bought a cheap 96 Tige ski boat. I had heard about the big 3, but it took me a while to realize that the third member of the Big 3 was Nautique. I had also seen the acronyms "SAN" and "SANTE" thrown around, but had no idea what they stood for. It wasn't until I asked a co-worker in 2007 who was known to be a great wakeboarder what boat he had, and he said, "the best." I then asked him what that was, and he said, "Super Air Nautique." I then was able to put 2 and 2 together to figure out that he just gave me the definition of SAN. With a little searching at that point I figured out what the TE meant.

[TRBenj]

I agree Nautiques aren't made for racing. We had a 1999 Sport with a DD 502. Ran 57 MPH. We had a SS VD with a 502 ran 55 MPH. Still I don't think they are for racing.

There is a guy at our marina who want to race my 2006 196 with a 330. He has 2006 206 claiming it will run 50 MPH with a 330. I did GPS (2 gps units)my boat with me and 2 women (about 270 extra LBS) and it ran 48.1 on GPS. if both gps units are correct it will be the fastest nautique I have owned. That was with Acme 422 prop and bimini up and 1/4 tank of gas.

Very interesting the 48mph out of the 196 with the Excal... I have always been curious what the TSC3 could do with that engine and the gate up.

Unless those speeds on the Python powered Sport and Super Sport were verified with a GPS, Im skeptical theyre legit. It takes a LOT of hp to push a CC 55mph+, especially ones as heavy and with as much wetted surface as those. The SS has some rearward weight bias, so I would think its good for low 50's anyways, but the Sport is pretty curious... the last Python Sport I drove was nowhere near a 50mph boat.