2012 Rumors?

[aarond0083]

2012's usually come out late August/early sept.

I don't disagree on the price point thing. Add sales tax, and a base 200 is just out of my comfort zone for a toy. I miss a fully-decked, new $40k 196. Sadly for me Nautiques are increasing in price at a higher rate than my salary.

I ordered our 2012 SANTE 210 Coastal Edition today. I hope to have it by mid August but no firm ETA yet.

[AllianceBJJ]

I ordered our 2012 SANTE 210 Coastal Edition today. I hope to have it by mid August but no firm ETA yet.

Were you told of any changes to the 2012s?

[aarond0083]

Were you told of any changes to the 2012s?

I do know of some of the changes and also doing something a little special. I will start a thread in Show Us Your Nautique once it's in my garage.

[AllianceBJJ]

I do know of some of the changes and also doing something a little special. I will start a thread in Show Us Your Nautique once it's in my garage.

Can you expand on some of the 2012 changes now?

[aarond0083]

I would prefer to let Jeff do that since he runs this site.

[Nautiquehunter]

I looked at the Axis at the boat show and it doesn't compare to any Nauti. Its like comparing a base 1/2 ton pick up to an Escalade. True they both will do the job but I dont see going backwards to a base price point anything. Buy the time you get all the trimmings on the Axis you will spend 60k plus on a unproven brand . No body knows what they will be worth in 4-5 years or even it they will still be around. One thing for sure selling a used Axis will NOT appeal to any high end buyer like the used Nauti will .

[wake4life6]

^^^^^ Agree!

[natedog]

i would say my generation of boat buyer would take a newer axis over a same price nautique unless they grew up with nautiques there whole life, most my friends are in there late 20's early 30's as far as auto purchases they are not sold on brand loyalty, they are usually sold on a mix of quality, price ratio and cars like the newer sonata for example represent quality and function like the axis even if they may not have the years of proven success. i think with the technology that goes into the r&d todays budget friendlier axis are not as risky as some may think. if nautique went with something styled close to the byerly edition 210 without every option and made it more utilitarian to keep costs down i would definitely more willing to stay with nautique. i would go with an axis as well for the fact there are none here around central texas and it would be nice to have something more rare

[tourpro]

I had a look at the Axis web site.

" REDEFINING COOL - Sick, Tight, Dope, no matter how you say it, the Axis is a sweet looking ride. Its aggressively angular bow tops off the tough look and adds another unique element to this price-point boat. The FatAX tower combines fat 3-inch black power coated aluminum tubing and billet aluminum bases for one-of-kind rear sweeping wakeboard tower and the wingless windshield accentuates the rugged simplicity of the Axis for a custom look new to the water sports industry."

3 typos in one paragragh doesn't set a very good standard of quality.

Styling "borrowed" from Malibu and Mastercraft.

[Nautiquehunter]

Nautique is not an entry level low budget brand much like Cadillac, BMW and Mercedes they strive for excellence in materials, R&D and build quality and then back it with one of the best warranties.
From what I have seen Axis is on the higher side of the Budget market. If price is the main factor then Bayliner is the winner but build quality is low and resale is hard with only low end buyers. As for me I would rather go with a clean used high end brand with a proven track record than a new entry level brand with price point features and materials. Axis is just that entry level Nautique is the brand you move up to. I am not saying Axis is a bad boat time will tell how they hold up . I already know how the Nauti will do.

[MattieK27]

I love Nautique, but when a 20' crossover costs over 90k, things have gotten ridiculous.

Axis is not a Nautique, and never will be. Heck, Malibu isn't a Nautique, regardless of what the owners claim. The problem is some of the biggest supporters of the brand are now faced with having to look elsewhere. Nautique makes the best towboats on the water, but you end up paying for more than substance. Boat companies are going to charge what they can, and currently there is a huge demand for well built budget entries. The Axis A22 came out two years ago priced at 39.9. Good luck getting one for under 55 now. Even after the price increases, they still can't make enough to meet demand. The SAN lineup is great, but is it twice the boat? At this point, its almost twice the money...

Getting back on topic, I think it is rather humorous people won't share information they have on 2012s. Even the Mastercraft forum, which is run by Mastercraft, has more rumors and forward-looking information being discussed.

[swc5150]

I tend to agree with this statement. Back in the day, there was a huge difference between a Nautique/MC, when compared to the slew of other inboard options out there. The car analogy fits too... I remember back in the 80's, a Porsche looked so radical compared to the basic cars of the era. Now days, all cars have nice asthetics, so a 911 doesn't stick out in the crowd like it once did. The visual / performance differences in budget boats, versus the high-end boats has shrunk, so buyers no longer feel inferior by purchasing these products. Naturally, I'm taking build quality out of the equation. MC and CC are still superior in that respect.

[AllianceBJJ]

Getting back on topic, I think it is rather humorous people won't share information they have on 2012s. Even the Mastercraft forum, which is run by Mastercraft, has more rumors and forward-looking information being discussed.

I found this entertaining as well....

[tdc_worm]

Naturally, I'm taking build quality out of the equation. MC and CC are still superior in that respect.

w/ all towboats being 100% composite and sharing common suppliers for all major drive train and electrical components, i am curious how you can validate this statement.

what i find interesting, is that the majority of you "core" riders probably fall in the sub 35 year old demographic. i would imagine that most of these riders are in the infancy of their careers and have young families. consequently, their incomes vs expenses will most likely price them out a high end tow boat. to that end, it becomes clear whom the target audience is for a $100k boat, and is most clearly reflected when you look at the boats on lifts on at the million dollar homes on your local lakes...those boats arent moombas and axis, they are MCs and CCs. towboats have put a huge dent in the high end runabout market, and you see companies like Cobalt striking back...

at any rate, something is only worth what somebody is willing to pay for it.

[210GA]

I had a look at the Axis web site.

" REDEFINING COOL - Sick, Tight, Dope, no matter how you say it, the Axis is a sweet looking ride. Its aggressively angular bow tops off the tough look and adds another unique element to this price-point boat. The FatAX tower combines fat 3-inch black power coated aluminum tubing and billet aluminum bases for one-of-kind rear sweeping wakeboard tower and the wingless windshield accentuates the rugged simplicity of the Axis for a custom look new to the water sports industry."

3 typos in one paragragh doesn't set a very good standard of quality.

Styling "borrowed" from Malibu and Mastercraft.

What are three typos?