2012 Rumors?

[AllianceBJJ]

Build quality also encompasses switches, hatches, latches, vinyl, carpet, gauges, etc., not just drive train/electrical. Sit and ride in an Axis/Moomba and tell me if those are the same quality as the Nautique/MC....I seriously looked at and test drove Axis and Malibu before buying my newest 230....Did not feel to be as close to the same quality....Not to the tune of $20K-$30K difference, but definitely a difference.....

I factored in a $ figure on the dealer quality too. When you pay this much for something, you expect nothing but the highest quality service experience as well. While the Malibu dealer here is respected, Phil and Riley at Buxton would come tow me back to the dock if I called them at 11 pm Saturday night or 6am on a Sunday if needed. I was willing to pay a few $ more for that comfort. I know for a fact Malibu would not do that, believe me, I asked.

[mdvalant]

I drove a friend's '03 I believe it was infinity last weekend and it was awful. Boat is like new, great condition, good lines, nice color but wow it's set up horribly. Couldn't believe the quality difference. I know it's not a Malibu or MC but it sure made me want to be in our CC instead!

[gride]

Nautique is definitely pricing themselves out of the rider focused boat and to the " who cares about the sport let's sell boats" style of production. Granted they were always expensive and so are mc and Malibu, but I still can't fathom the prices. Ie. A custom ordered 2005 210 team with tandem galv. Trailer, disc brakes, jump seat, bow filler, Bimini , heater, and closed cooling installed by dealer was 56k out the door. What's that now? Like 85k?

[swc5150]

[QUOTE=tdc_worm;162933]w/ all towboats being 100% composite and sharing common suppliers for all major drive train and electrical components, i am curious how you can validate this statement.QUOTE]

From selling MC's for a few years. CC and MC use higher grade resins, gel coat quality, vinyls, foam densities, carpet and general construction methods. (ie: shoebox decks; stringer adhesion methods; motor mounting methods) Compare how the motor boxes and hatches open and close on a Nauti - secure with a solid feel. CC's are expensive because they simply cost more to build than an Axis or Moomba. Ask any of the competitors if they recommend actually using the lifting rings, and see what they say. You are correct, they do share many electrical components, but it's often what you don't see that makes a big difference. Pretty much all cars are made of sheet metal too, but...

[tourpro]

What are three typos?

" REDEFINING COOL - Sick, Tight, Dope, no matter how you say it, the Axis is a sweet looking ride. Its aggressively angular bow tops off the tough look and adds another unique element to this price-point boat. The FatAX tower combines fat 3-inch black power coated aluminum tubing and billet aluminum bases for one-of-kind rear sweeping wakeboard tower and the wingless windshield accentuates the rugged simplicity of the Axis for a custom look new to the water sports industry."


Its - the thing belonging to it, requires an apostrophe, ie "it's"

Power coated - I'm reasonably sure they mean "powder" coated.

One-of-kind - Was probably intended to say "one-of-a-kind"

Right from the start, they've used words to describe the boat that you would expect to hear from an age range who couldn't possibly afford the boat new. From a marketing perspective, would you ever suggest telling potential buyers your product is "price-point" geared?

Now, I'm no english major or marketing guru but this type of write up just seems wrong to me. No doubt you'll find grammer errors and typos in my posts but I'm not selling anything or representing anything.

[Shooter]

I found this entertaining as well....

+2....it will probably just be a new tower and another touchscreen option. Maybe they can add some more billet and LED lights and call it innovation. For example, Nothing major has really changed on the 210 since 2008.

Hope the tower changes because i still think the 2011= fail, but I can't afford one anyway so I don't really care

[Shooter]

And don't forget the %5-%10 price increase

[natedog]

Right from the start, they've used words to describe the boat that you would expect to hear from an age range who couldn't possibly afford the boat new. From a marketing perspective, would you ever suggest telling potential buyers your product is "price-point" geared?

guess you have never been to california, because all of my 30 something friends talk like that, our age group of surfers invented "sick, tight and dope, now if you are from the midwest it might seem like a teenage thing because it takes about 10 years for most of the trends to move from the west coast and infiltrate small town bible belt usa. as far as quality of the small things, sure nautique and mc spend more but if axis and bu saves in those areas and passes on the savings to us that is fine by me, as long as the stuff holds up for me with normal use i would be stoked, i think as long as you keep any boat covered from the elements and use decent products to clean and care for all the materials they should last as long higher quality materials that nautique and mc use to price my age group middle income buyers out of the new boat market, i want a sweet wake, for surfing, boarding, skating, that is why i bought my super sport, because it had the best wake that i could afford. once i can afford a new boat, those will still be my needs so whichever it is nautique, axis, mc, bu, tige, centurion, supra, except for moomba, haha.

yea i don't understand why people are hesitant tell any '12 secrets, why does Jeff need to be the one? just cause he runs the site you cannot say, sounds lame.

[Nautiquehunter]

Right from the start, they've used words to describe the boat that you would expect to hear from an age range who couldn't possibly afford the boat new. From a marketing perspective, would you ever suggest telling potential buyers your product is "price-point" geared?

guess you have never been to california, because all of my 30 something friends talk like that, our age group of surfers invented "sick, tight and dope, now if you are from the midwest it might seem like a teenage thing because it takes about 10 years for most of the trends to move from the west coast and infiltrate small town bible belt usa. as far as quality of the small things, sure nautique and mc spend more but if axis and bu saves in those areas and passes on the savings to us that is fine by me, as long as the stuff holds up for me with normal use i would be stoked, i think as long as you keep any boat covered from the elements and use decent products to clean and care for all the materials they should last as long higher quality materials that nautique and mc use to price my age group middle income buyers out of the new boat market, i want a sweet wake, for surfing, boarding, skating, that is why i bought my super sport, because it had the best wake that i could afford. once i can afford a new boat, those will still be my needs so whichever it is nautique, axis, mc, bu, tige, centurion, supra, except for moomba, haha.

yea i don't understand why people are hesitant tell any '12 secrets, why does Jeff need to be the one? just cause he runs the site you cannot say, sounds lame.

So its just California Ebonics not bad spelling and grammar.

As far as the quality its OK they use cheaper parts as long as it performs as well as the higher grade parts. I fail to follow your reasoning . If they are just as good then everybody would use them. CC doesn't just go out and find the highest price parts to justify cost. Its simple if you want high quality you have to pay for it. If you settle for less that is what you will get. As stated before you can get a low hour super clean Nauti for less than you will pay for a new Axis. Even if the price is the same I think the resale will be better on the Nauti in the future.

[AllianceBJJ]

Hope the tower changes because i still think the 2011= fail, but I can't afford one anyway so I don't really care

Doesnt look like the tower changed based on a 2012 animated picture that was posted in another thread......Which I am glad about, 'cause I would have been pissed that I bought the 2011 (not a huge fan of the tower, but got a screaming deal on the boat) instead of waiting for the 2012....

I haven't heard any specifics, but I heard there were "a few new things and that the price tag reflects them".... If I knew what they were I would share....

[Nautiquehunter]

Nautique is definitely pricing themselves out of the rider focused boat and to the " who cares about the sport let's sell boats" style of production. Granted they were always expensive and so are mc and Malibu, but I still can't fathom the prices. Ie. A custom ordered 2005 210 team with tandem galv. Trailer, disc brakes, jump seat, bow filler, Bimini , heater, and closed cooling installed by dealer was 56k out the door. What's that now? Like 85k?

Six years later and the only thing the two boats have in common is the name. Engine,drive train, ballast systems and electronics to name a few improvements since 05. How much did a steak dinner cost in 05 compared to now and its still the same cow.

[210GA]

How much did a steak dinner cost in 05 compared to now and its still the same cow.

Not the same cow, we killed that one already.

I love everything about our '08 SANTE but one thing, the tower. You can never keep that some bish tight. If it had the FT3, it would be perfect.
One good thing about the price I paid out the door for our was that its only lost about 10k... if I needed to dump it quick. If I could get 50k even for it, I'd only loose about 6-7 grand... Not to bad being as I bought it June of '08, three full years and over 300 hours.

Plus, if I sold it I'd loose the platform I built.

[swc5150]

The prices get any higher, and Obama will include best-selling authors, corporate jet AND Nautique owners on his hit list!

[gride]

Well they chose the crappiest ballast design in 05 themselves; the tech was already there. My 05 mc had impeller pump ballasts. For wakeboarding perfect pass is fine, the stereo is still over priced, still have to buy sacs, wake isn't as nice IMO, towers are uglier, and same engine supplier. Also, Benz, BMW, Lexus, all have entry level cars.

[MattieK27]

Ok, so five pages later and the only info added is a price increase? Yikes...