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Am I seeing the phased death of analog gauges on Nautiques? Is this a mistake? I am not a fan of the all in one screen but I'm not seeing other options.
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Look at the other boat makers. They all seem to be heading the same direction of video/touchscreens.Originally posted by srock View Post
For now I don't mind it, but first repair/replacement of the LINC in my 2011 out of warranty will probably have me singing a different tune...Current Nautique: 2013 G23
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My thoughts.
Can the screen be viewed under intense sunlight or with polarized sunglasses? If no then why put it in a boat?
Can important information be viewed without scrolling through screens? If no then it is a step backwards.
Boats last 20+ years, what about electronics? Repair? Replacement? Any backward compatibility built into the LINC system? What is involved in upgrading to a LINC 3 from a LINC 1 because 5 years from now the LINC 1 is not repairable and replacements are not available?
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The answer is YES...I'm in aviation and all new aircraft are going to "glass panels" (digital displays) because they they are cheaper for the manufacture than the old style gauges. I assume this is what is starting to happen here. I have seen many buyers that don't want to go this direction (including me) but the truth is that this is the future for your car, boat or airplane.Comment
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The benefit aircraft have is that they have redundant screens and bypasses so when you have a failure (and they do fail) you can still operate. The issue I see with the LINK is that if it goes out you are screwed until it is replaced by a dealer. It also sounds like it's overly complicated with menus. For the price, i don't see why you can't have the screen with some basic dash gauges and switches for the things you use regularly.Comment
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Electronics cost so much though compared to gauges. In a plane or ship yes digital is better, but in a wake boat or run about? My dad used to have a cessna citation 2 and he loves tech so had new everything installed. It costs a small fortune and can only be done by extremely well trained workers. I don't want to have to take my nautique to cessna in Orlando for repairs. The only thing I like about it is code reading, but I can get a pc and rinda stuff for less. I'd like to have link and gauges, even if gauges were added cost to add to a team.Comment
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It's the future. I'm looking forward to being able to load my boat using the new Nautique iPhone app from the ramp. See my wife can't back a trailer and sometimes gets nervous loading when a storm is coming up. This will solve that.
Jokes aside, I have no problem with it. Nautique isn't throwing stuff in boats without seriously testing it first. I skipped the first LINC but can't wait for the version 2.0 on our 2012.Comment
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Yeah....lets wait til there is a big lawsuit because someone was killed while the op was $*(*#*%'ing with the panel.....and we'll go back to gauges.Originally posted by j2nh View Post
Personally, I'm for whatever nascar uses.....sometimes including carbs.Comment
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Does a pilot have to scroll from the "talk to passenger screen" to "check altitude screen"... It's like running the boat from your ipod. Add in skiers, a couple kids, a tuber and pair of jet skis and you can have your hands full.
I absolutely hate the idea of scrolling through screens and I know that I will not scroll through the screens to glance at a couple gauges. I guess an idiot light pops up on the screen.
I caught a oil problem on my Tiara by noticing a gauge that kinda shivered. The rebuild from an oil starved cylinder cost be thousands less because I did not destroy the engine. I wonder is that is the case with these new screens.Comment
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Really? Because sometimes I think it is the opposite... I wonder if they tested the digital gauges from 2002? Is it just me or does Nautique not consider what the customer wants...people don't like the new tower so they make it the only option...others don't want the LINK and CC's response is to take out the gauges. When there is complaints regarding minor design flaws or request, it sometimes doesn't get addressed for multiple seasons. Doesn't seem like good business.Originally posted by aarond0083 View PostComment
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(first time poster...please bear with me. looking at either a SN200 for SANTE 210 in 2012, btw - hence the reason i'm hanging out)
i could be wrong, but i highly suspect that the digital system is MUCH cheaper than gauges and switches. these things are basically iPads with some software on it - they look cool and sophisticated, but in reality the software is simple and it is easier to route in all functionality to a single screen than it is to have multiple switches. not just the switches and gauges themselves in terms of their individual costs, but also the cost to install (cut holes in dash and wire in). my brother is an industrial engineer in CA and he sources many of these types of things from asia and he can tell countless stories of how much cheaper it is to have some simple screen and software over actual buttons, LED lights, etc. for example, the little flashing green or red light on many electronics is often the most expensive and power-intensive item - shocking, but true. think of casio calculator watches that were the rage in the 80's - super cheap and did a million things. you can put a ton of info on an iPad.
as i look at purchasing a new (or ligtly used) CC this concerns me. seeing their prices go up 7 - 10% each year for the past 2 seasons i've been looking, i am confused as to how the LINC systems cost more than the gauges. i would think the opposite - but then again, sexy sells....and they are sexy (@ least initially).Comment
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What do you need to scroll through the screens for? All the gauge displays are on one screen. I guess to change radio stations or stereo input you need to go through a couple, but I don't think it's that bad.
The LINC is easily readable in the brightest sunlight. I like traditional gauges in cars, but I think the glass display works in a boat. Of course, I don't care about anything other than ZO and fuel level. So far I haven't needed the GPS in our 2400' lake. ;-)
They still have traditional gauges for those that want them. Personally, I think the colors make them harder to read than the LINC. No one is forcing you to get the LINC.Promo Team member
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Reminds me if the big ugly "N" graphic on the side of the boat. Marketing wanted a symbol for all things Nautique and it looked like the electronics department designed it. Here the electronics department is going to tell marketing what people want.
Video screens, you don't like them? No your wrong...you do like it and your gonna like it! Now eat your peas!Comment
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a couple of thoughts...
---the system, i am sure, is flash based. no moving parts should, in theory, make the system very reliable. its a closed system from the user standpoint, so it shouldn't just crash. from an apples and oranges anecdote, i have sent my ipod shuffle (flash based) through the washing machine 3 times and it still works like new. my newest laptop has a solid state HD is bulletproof compared to my previous disc drive based machines....for more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive
---from a wiring standpoint, this has to ridiculously simplify the wiring harness, and reduce failure mechanisms from that standpoint...
---CC didnt dream up a gaugeless dash. i suspect they were approached by a vendor. the vendor, i am sure, was vetted along with the idea...
i the long run, i would prefer a tach and external stereo controls. i can live with the system warning me in the absence of a full set of gauges to monitor...
i did have this thought when driving a 2011 230 this wknd: increase the screen size, add a camera to the tow point on the tower, and pipe the feed directly to the screen that way we can eliminate the vision obscuring rear view mirror.Last edited by tdc_worm; 08-15-2011, 04:19 PM.Comment
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