All Will Be Revealed 03.31.12

[shag]

Whatever this boat is, I think the 230 owners are safe with their boat values. If anything, I think it will make the 230 worth a bit more. I love my 2009 230, the wake is great imo. And with lil effort, I get a good surf wake.. I am sure that CC will have come out with a great new boat, but only a small slice will be able to afford this boat. I also am not a fan of the everything in one dash. (all gauges and controls in the linc) It is a great feature, but I just see that being very expensive to fix later on. I have zero off and all the gauges and am more than satisfied. I think (imo) that we focus too much on the gadgets and not enough on the actual purpose of what we have. Look at the new car ads, you see more about the little things they do on the interior, other than how the car is actually made. (or how well it's made. Insert Chris Farley line from Tommy boy here: "I can take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed")
I do commend CC for always being innovative and pushing the envelope.

[Orbiter]

Guess again buddy

Whatever this boat is, I think the 230 owners are safe with their boat values. If anything, I think it will make the 230 worth a bit more.....

Wishful thinking. 230's and 236's have had resale-plummet and have not been able to get out of their own way when it comes to resale drop and I've never studied a new boat closer. I've been in the market for one (a used one) since the day the 236 crossover came out and I am going to be able to do it 2 years earlier than planned because of how fast the boat has fallen in terms of resale. It will continue to do this, even in light of a shovel-bow SAN 230 or a SAN 250. The 230/236 is what I consider to be the best wake boat currently available but I am actually surprised I'm in the market for one. That has been an approximately $90,000 boat since its introduction. I can't afford that, not even close. Resale has dropped to a point where one is actually attainable to me. Lil ol me. It's a dream boat. Whatever this new thing is, I care as a Nautique fan but I am not after one right now. This new model can absolutely only serve to lower the price on a 230 for me and that makes me happy.

The sheer number of 230's and 236's I saw this winter in the 50k ranges would astonish you, in case you are not already aware. I saw a high 40's boat too but it was an eBay sale and I was never able to verify the sale.

[tgator96]

I certainly haven't been in the market for pre-owned 230s like you but a quick search of onlyinboards.com--2010 or older--shows 13 230s for sale; only 4 under $60k (and 2 of those are salt water boats in S. Florida); high of $91k. A 2008 in the $50s is 10% depreciation per year. that doesn't sound unreasonable to me.

Wishful thinking. 230's and 236's have had resale-plummet and have not been able to get out of their own way when it comes to resale drop and I've never studied a new boat closer. I've been in the market for one (a used one) since the day the 236 crossover came out and I am going to be able to do it 2 years earlier than planned because of how fast the boat has fallen in terms of resale. It will continue to do this, even in light of a shovel-bow SAN 230 or a SAN 250. The 230/236 is what I consider to be the best wake boat currently available but I am actually surprised I'm in the market for one. That has been an approximately $90,000 boat since its introduction. I can't afford that, not even close. Resale has dropped to a point where one is actually attainable to me. Lil ol me. It's a dream boat. Whatever this new thing is, I care as a Nautique fan but I am not after one right now. This new model can absolutely only serve to lower the price on a 230 for me and that makes me happy.

The sheer number of 230's and 236's I saw this winter in the 50k ranges would astonish you, in case you are not already aware. I saw a high 40's boat too but it was an eBay sale and I was never able to verify the sale.

[Orbiter]

I certainly haven't been in the market for pre-owned 230s like you but a quick search of onlyinboards.com--2010 or older--shows 13 230s for sale; only 4 under $60k (and 2 of those are salt water boats in S. Florida); high of $91k. A 2008 in the $50s is 10% depreciation per year. that doesn't sound unreasonable to me.

Yep, it is a very personal kind of measurement. I'm personally not comforted with 10% a year nut-punch. These boats last, what, 50 years now? More? In an age of all-fiberglass? That 10% means in 10 years it's a paperweight right?

Obviously I am joking because we all know that at some point the depreciation plateaus or stops entirely at some theoretical level like it did for the original Super Sports, 210's, Sport Nautique's (almost all Sport Nautiques), 2001's, and the 196 Ski Nautique. I don't know where that plateau will be on the 230/236 but I would guess it will be around the 40's. To me that is a shocker on an in-production boat, and I definitely think it can happen. I think the market will support 50k for a few years because the company isn't making a zillion of the boat. I still think it's insane, I think that $40k-$50k is what they (and all top-shelf wake boats) should have been all along, and this all factors very carefully into how I have been watching, playing the long game as I approach buying one. I don't think I am out to lunch on this.

[shag]

Let me correct myself. If someone bought a 230, and put a fair amount down, then they they should be somewhat safe. I feel very comfortable that if I had to sell my 2009 230 team, I could get at least what I owe on it..... probably more if I waited..... But I don't see myself selling anytime soon.
Again, just an opinion based on what I have seen, and what some that are in the market have indicated to me. No worries.

[AllianceBJJ]

I just sold my 2011 230 for EXACTLY what I paid for it just over 1 year ago......Just sayin.....

Wishful thinking. 230's and 236's have had resale-plummet and have not been able to get out of their own way when it comes to resale drop and I've never studied a new boat closer. I've been in the market for one (a used one) since the day the 236 crossover came out and I am going to be able to do it 2 years earlier than planned because of how fast the boat has fallen in terms of resale. It will continue to do this, even in light of a shovel-bow SAN 230 or a SAN 250. The 230/236 is what I consider to be the best wake boat currently available but I am actually surprised I'm in the market for one. That has been an approximately $90,000 boat since its introduction. I can't afford that, not even close. Resale has dropped to a point where one is actually attainable to me. Lil ol me. It's a dream boat. Whatever this new thing is, I care as a Nautique fan but I am not after one right now. This new model can absolutely only serve to lower the price on a 230 for me and that makes me happy.

The sheer number of 230's and 236's I saw this winter in the 50k ranges would astonish you, in case you are not already aware. I saw a high 40's boat too but it was an eBay sale and I was never able to verify the sale.

[tgator96]

Also, most dealers offer a rather substantial discount on new boats that reduces the amount of depreciation even further . . . .

[gride]

They don't offer a discount. The Msrp is just so high they let you think they are giving you a deal, but in reality you are paying them an amount to make them a profit. it gives dealers room to work because some folks will end up paying a lot more than an experienced buyer for the same boat.

[tgator96]

I don't mean to split hairs but isn't that the definition of a discount--offering a buyer something less than the manufacturer's suggested retail price? I'm not saying everyone gets the same discount (and I'm certainly not suggesting dealers sell at a loss) but as i said originally, most buyers get some discount which certainly affects the amount of realized depreciation. Using Orbiter's example above, a used boat selling for $55k which had MSRP of $90k realized less deprivation of it sold new, on average, for $75k than if it sold, on a average, for full MSRP.

[jimmyj]

What boat do you guys think that is, sitting on the lift?
Weird lines for a Nautique. But that looks like the new-gen tower.
Is that just a Malibu pointed angularly/awkwardly toward the camera?
Is my mind running away with this or could that be it, sort of sitting under our noses?

pretty bad when we cant tell our beloved nautiques from a malibu................. starting happening in 07........ and yes!!!!!! a 24ft nautique at $168,965. everybody will have one!!!!

[jimmyj]

You mean they brought back the old 210 Hull!? Yes!

exactly what i was thinking. "yeah, they did this, in '95"

[gride]

I just meant that a normal Buyer usually understands ur not paying Msrp and the Msrp of boats is really a joke considering the "discount."

[MikeC]

I think it's safe to say it's going to be a larger wakeboard boat, most likely with a different bow. But no one has considered engine choices, I know PCM has the ZR450 and the supercharged XS550 - but has anyone considered diesel, I know Mastercraft was working on one but don't know if it got anywhere. Think of it, torque, power and the ability to use less expensive off road diesel.

[tdc_worm]

But no one has considered engine choices, I know PCM has the ZR450 and the supercharged XS550 - but has anyone considered diesel, I know Mastercraft was working on one but don't know if it got anywhere. Think of it, torque, power and the ability to use less expensive off road diesel.

i do think i read somewhere that ZR whatever was going to be the only option, but that is just hearsay. knowing that both PCM and Ilmoor sources their blocks from gm marine (http://www.gmpowertrain.com/MarineEn...EMListing.aspx), i would love to see PCM work the 7.4L 454 that MC is going to be using in their new X Star into their engine options. mmmm big block tourque....

[Chexi]

Better have a fresh air exhaust with offroad diesel or your rider won't be able to see.