G23 with 4 racks possible?

[SkiTower]

I'd also like to challenge your assumption that you WILL add additional ballast. Some might just fir bragging rights, but honestly I would love to hear from pro riders who not only could benefit from the additional ballast if it makes a difference but can also tell you IF you need it. CC went to design the perfect wakeboardboat and between the 6500lb boat and the I believe 3K in stock ballast (not to mention a purposefully shaped hull and the weight of at least 8 people) I don't see an extra 2-3K ballast making that big of a difference.

That being said, I agree that if you build a boat for 14 then you need racks for at least 8

[perry386]

I find it unbelievable that cc won't offer 4 racks from factory. You make a boat for 15 people, but only 4 can bring their boards... Z5 is also not my thing..
Our 230 has 4 racks (2 spinners, 2 flight clips) on the fct1. Looks and works great, no wet boards in the boat!

2 issues cc should solve: paddle wheel zero off (for river wakeboarding) & and more board racks factory..

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What is paddle wheel zero off?

[Miljack]

What is paddle wheel zero off?

At this point it's wishful thinking! For people who ride with a current, Zero is not "automatic," i.e. the driver has to adjust the speed setting when going up current or down due to GPS's characteristic or maintaining speed over land, not water.
If Zero Off can incorporate the paddle wheel input and allow the control module to adjust the GPS reading, then Zero Off could handle currents.
I understand they had a software update to help with this, but river riders still want the paddle wheel incorporated into ZO.

[wakeupwindermere]

What about this option extra fixed rack above the swivels that carries one wake board only would that fit then you have possibility of 6 wake boards on the tower or at a squeeze maybe 6 wake boards and two surfboards. Looks to me it may well fit not the perfect 8 wake boards but at least 6 saves the locker space if you need! they are huge! Most people I know generally only ride 3/4 people but that extra 2 boards is great when the occasional bigger crews are out with you. I collect my G week after next so will check this one out. Must admit I never had more than 2 racks on my 230 but it was a bit of pain when we got bigger crews in the boat as we had the lockers full of extra sacks on that boat.

[wakeupwindermere]

I suppose the big down side as already commented in the thread is getting something that matches and looks the part. You get a boat like this and the last thing you want is something that looks non matching or out of place on the boat. Think I will stick to the lockers but if anyone comes up with something that works and looks in place post some pics please.

[biggator]

I'd also like to challenge your assumption that you WILL add additional ballast. Some might just fir bragging rights, but honestly I would love to hear from pro riders who not only could benefit from the additional ballast if it makes a difference but can also tell you IF you need it. CC went to design the perfect wakeboardboat and between the 6500lb boat and the I believe 3K in stock ballast (not to mention a purposefully shaped hull and the weight of at least 8 people) I don't see an extra 2-3K ballast making that big of a difference.

That being said, I agree that if you build a boat for 14 then you need racks for at least 8

Those (aside from pros) who add ballast say that it doesn't seem to make the wake bigger, but harder. The stock wake is pretty freaking massive. I think ironj runs extra in his.. maybe he'll chime in.

[ironj32]

Those (aside from pros) who add ballast say that it doesn't seem to make the wake bigger, but harder. The stock wake is pretty freaking massive. I think ironj runs extra in his.. maybe he'll chime in.

what biggator said. the extra weight (on top of stock) does not add a whole lot height to it. it certainly adds some but its not like going from an empty 230 to slammed 230. the change you will noticably experience is that it becomes rock hard.

[wakeboarder3780]

I'd also like to challenge your assumption that you WILL add additional ballast. Some might just fir bragging rights, but honestly I would love to hear from pro riders who not only could benefit from the additional ballast if it makes a difference but can also tell you IF you need it. CC went to design the perfect wakeboardboat and between the 6500lb boat and the I believe 3K in stock ballast (not to mention a purposefully shaped hull and the weight of at least 8 people) I don't see an extra 2-3K ballast making that big of a difference.


That being said, I agree that if you build a boat for 14 then you need racks for at least 8

I don't understand what you mean by "challenge" it. I will add extra ballast to the boat and thats end of story. No offense intended, but I do not need your nor any other boaters permissions to do so. I don't care if other people that see me ride think it's "more than I need". It is my personal choice to build a wake (wakeboard and surf) as big and as bad as I want to and can afford to do so. Wakeboarding is my passion and part of that for me is pushing boats to their limits and seeing what they can really do.


I would like to "challenge" the notion that others think they should decide what size wake other people need. If you don't like the extra big wakes that get created, get off the water. Lakes are public areas where everyone can go to have fun. You hear fishermen crabbing about watersports. Watersports people crab about the fishermen. Skiers hate the wakeboarders because they make big waves. Wakeboarders and surfers hate jet skiers because they get pestered by them constantly jumping their waves. Anyone who skis, or boards hates tubers because they're generally cutting all the water up and making waves everywhere. Personally, I think we could ALL stand to have a little more tolerance.


As long as people are being *safe* I don't feel it's my right to tell someone how they should have fun on the water. I love being on the lake, but I understand its a public waterway and I don't *own* any of it - even if i own lake front property on the lake that doesnt mean I own the water in front of me, in fact the law is clear that people have the right to walk right on shore to walk around the lake and if my dock is in the way, they can walk up onto my land to get around it. The laws are very clear - no one owns waterways and I think it's time we all start allowing everyone to enjoy it however they see fit.


BTW anyone who thinks you won't get a benefit for surfing by adding a *lot* of additional ballast to the rear surf side locker is fooling themselves. NSS and Surfgate technology is all great for a casual rider. But if you want a big wave, *nothing* beats heavily listing the boat like we used to.


JMHO

[OKWAKEBDR]

I don't understand what you mean by "challenge" it. I will add extra ballast to the boat and thats end of story. No offense intended, but I do not need your nor any other boaters permissions to do so. I don't care if other people that see me ride think it's "more than I need". It is my personal choice to build a wake (wakeboard and surf) as big and as bad as I want to and can afford to do so. Wakeboarding is my passion and part of that for me is pushing boats to their limits and seeing what they can really do.


I would like to "challenge" the notion that others think they should decide what size wake other people need. If you don't like the extra big wakes that get created, get off the water. Lakes are public areas where everyone can go to have fun. You hear fishermen crabbing about watersports. Watersports people crab about the fishermen. Skiers hate the wakeboarders because they make big waves. Wakeboarders and surfers hate jet skiers because they get pestered by them constantly jumping their waves. Anyone who skis, or boards hates tubers because they're generally cutting all the water up and making waves everywhere. Personally, I think we could ALL stand to have a little more tolerance.


As long as people are being *safe* I don't feel it's my right to tell someone how they should have fun on the water. I love being on the lake, but I understand its a public waterway and I don't *own* any of it - even if i own lake front property on the lake that doesnt mean I own the water in front of me, in fact the law is clear that people have the right to walk right on shore to walk around the lake and if my dock is in the way, they can walk up onto my land to get around it. The laws are very clear - no one owns waterways and I think it's time we all start allowing everyone to enjoy it however they see fit.


BTW anyone who thinks you won't get a benefit for surfing by adding a *lot* of additional ballast to the rear surf side locker is fooling themselves. NSS and Surfgate technology is all great for a casual rider. But if you want a big wave, *nothing* beats heavily listing the boat like we used to.


JMHO

Strong words for someone who has never actually ridden in or behind the boat.

BTW - "afford" is a losely used term in the wakeboat industry - hard to argue someone with a 30 yr boat loan can atually "afford" the boat.

[biggator]

I don't understand what you mean by "challenge" it. I will add extra ballast to the boat and thats end of story. No offense intended, but I do not need your nor any other boaters permissions to do so. I don't care if other people that see me ride think it's "more than I need". It is my personal choice to build a wake (wakeboard and surf) as big and as bad as I want to and can afford to do so. Wakeboarding is my passion and part of that for me is pushing boats to their limits and seeing what they can really do.


I would like to "challenge" the notion that others think they should decide what size wake other people need. If you don't like the extra big wakes that get created, get off the water. Lakes are public areas where everyone can go to have fun. You hear fishermen crabbing about watersports. Watersports people crab about the fishermen. Skiers hate the wakeboarders because they make big waves. Wakeboarders and surfers hate jet skiers because they get pestered by them constantly jumping their waves. Anyone who skis, or boards hates tubers because they're generally cutting all the water up and making waves everywhere. Personally, I think we could ALL stand to have a little more tolerance.


As long as people are being *safe* I don't feel it's my right to tell someone how they should have fun on the water. I love being on the lake, but I understand its a public waterway and I don't *own* any of it - even if i own lake front property on the lake that doesnt mean I own the water in front of me, in fact the law is clear that people have the right to walk right on shore to walk around the lake and if my dock is in the way, they can walk up onto my land to get around it. The laws are very clear - no one owns waterways and I think it's time we all start allowing everyone to enjoy it however they see fit.


BTW anyone who thinks you won't get a benefit for surfing by adding a *lot* of additional ballast to the rear surf side locker is fooling themselves. NSS and Surfgate technology is all great for a casual rider. But if you want a big wave, *nothing* beats heavily listing the boat like we used to.


JMHO

No need to get upset.. I think he was just saying that once you ride it stock, you may very well not feel the need to add anything. THAT'S what he meant by "challenge" it.

[wakeboarder3780]

OKWAKEBDR, actually strong words were you telling me that "no one should ever need more than 2 racks". It is not "strongly worded" to assume that every wakeboard boat out there can have wake and surf wakes enhanced by adding more than stock amounts of ballast. It's been true of every boat that has ever been created from the beginning of time until now. To assume differently is a pretty "strong" opinion in my mind - not the opposite.

biggator , I'm not upset, although I understand text has no tone so I can understand why you would think that way. I tried to make that clear by prefacing my long response with "no offense intended, but...". I appreciate your clarification on what you think was meant by the original challenge comment and while I understand what you guys are saying - you and I just think differently about boats. There hasn't been a single boat in the industry that couldn't be enhanced further by more weight. I can assure you that I am the "curious" type of person who if they spend gobs of money on a wakeboard boat, will most definitely spend an additional couple grand to "see what it can really do".

The whole tolerance comment was because I don't think it's a good thing to come down on others for having different mentalities than your own. For instance, I have never come down on anyone here for riding stock wakes. I haven't ragged on anyone saying "I can't believe you spend that much on a boat and leave it stock". Your choices are your choices and I respect that. I ask for the same level of respect in return.

EDIT: If you still aren't convinced wakes get better with more weight, may I ask you why you think the competition boats that the pros ride on have additional weight added?

[OKWAKEBDR]

OKWAKEBDR, actually strong words were you telling me that "no one should ever need more than 2 racks". It is not "strongly worded" to assume that every wakeboard boat out there can have wake and surf wakes enhanced by adding more than stock amounts of ballast. It's been true of every boat that has ever been created from the beginning of time until now. To assume differently is a pretty "strong" opinion in my mind - not the opposite.

biggator , I'm not upset, although I understand text has no tone so I can understand why you would think that way. I tried to make that clear by prefacing my long response with "no offense intended, but...". I appreciate your clarification on what you think was meant by the original challenge comment and while I understand what you guys are saying - you and I just think differently about boats. There hasn't been a single boat in the industry that couldn't be enhanced further by more weight. I can assure you that I am the "curious" type of person who if they spend gobs of money on a wakeboard boat, will most definitely spend an additional couple grand to "see what it can really do".

The whole tolerance comment was because I don't think it's a good thing to come down on others for having different mentalities than your own. For instance, I have never come down on anyone here for riding stock wakes. I haven't ragged on anyone saying "I can't believe you spend that much on a boat and leave it stock". Your choices are your choices and I respect that. I ask for the same level of respect in return.

EDIT: If you still aren't convinced wakes get better with more weight, may I ask you why you think the competition boats that the pros ride on have additional weight added?

Actually, I said this... (and remember, at this point in the conversation, you were asking a question about a boat you'd never seen in person. I have seen one in person, so I was giving you some information and advice. If you think you need more racks and don't like my suggestion - I don't really care).

Why not just get a Z5? Then you've got 4 boards in the racks and at least 3 more on the bimini. That's 7 before you even start with all the extra storage in the boat. I can't see the need for additional racks.

No one ever said wakes don't get better with more weight (although there is the whole "law of diminishing returns" thing). No one said anything about wakes being too big. No one is disrespecting what choices you make, so there's no need to ask for "the same level of respect in return." All we're saying is that your assertions about what you will need to do (ie extra board racks, extra ballast, reinforced engine walls, etc.) to a boat that you have never been in, never ridden behind, and hope to own within the next several years is a little bit presumptuous.

[wakeboarder3780]

I currently have a boat with 4 racks and use them all. I use the 3rd and 4th rack once a week if not more (I ride about 3 times a week). There is no presumption on the board rack thing. I do not want the z5 because I don't like the way it looks. I cannot store boards in the rear lockers because I will put sacks back there. I *could* store boards in the storage under the passenger seat but I don't want to because I will be putting other things there, primarily a load of life jackets and I don't really want jackets under boards or vice versa.

So if you're tracking with me - this is from *personal experience*, hence not a presumption.

As for the ballast bags, if you understand that all boats get better with more ballast then all you need to understand is that regardless of stock wake size, I will *always* be installing additional ballast in every boat I own (I have stated this already). So again - not a presumption.

As for the engine sidewalls, they are objectively less rigid than my current malibu engine side walls (I have seen the G23 at the milwaukee boat show after this thread started because I still had unanswered questions) and my malibu sidewalls required reinforcement, so again, this is from *personal experience*.

I just don't understand where I'm presuming anything.

Anyways this topic is getting derailed. Let's try to keep it on the subject of 4 board racks. I don't have anything else to say on that topic so I'm going to be quiet from here on out. I would love for anyone who decides to get extra racks to post up pics of the products they used and some pics of the outcome!

[Quinner]

I will add extra ballast to the boat and thats end of story. No offense intended, but I do not need your nor any other boaters permissions to do so. I don't care if other people that see me ride think it's "more than I need". It is my personal choice to build a wake (wakeboard and surf) as big and as bad as I want to and can afford to do so. Wakeboarding is my passion and part of that for me is pushing boats to their limits and seeing what they can really do.

I would like to "challenge" the notion that others think they should decide what size wake other people need. If you don't like the extra big wakes that get created, get off the water.

Curious, do you think you are responsible for any damage your wake causes??

Really like the part where you "are challenging the boat", does skill level play any role in your decision??

[ironj32]

I cannot store boards in the rear lockers because I will put sacks back there.

As for the engine sidewalls, they are objectively less rigid than my current malibu engine side walls (I have seen the G23 at the milwaukee boat show after this thread started because I still had unanswered questions) and my malibu sidewalls required reinforcement, so again, this is from *personal experience*.

Get the Pro X-Series Rear Seat Sac - It add's about 750+ pounds of ballast. You CAN put wakeboards on top of it in the rear locker AND you do NOT need to reinforce the engine sidewalls. I speak with 85+ hours of experience with a G23 with extra weight.