Ballast setup options

[perry386]

Ok, I was sitting at home today bored and started thinking about what kind of wake could you possibly squeeze out of a boat if money and horsepower was no issue. I have a SANTE 230 and I have roughly 3500 pounds total that I can put in it. What do you guys have and if you could have any weighting setup out there what would it be? This is kind of a pointless thread I know but Im curious to see

[BMANNING]

Have a '12-230 with the following set-up which we mainly use for surfing. On top of the factory ballast I have the 750lb Fat Sacs in rear compartments, 370lb Tube Sac port side storage compartment under the seats & 260lbs Side Sacs in the nose (both sides). Works great for surfing however I wished it had a better hole shot when wake boarding. I'm inquiring about the NSS as this may be a game changer as I've used up all the compartment space.

[Nordicron]

Perry. Got any pics when fully sac'd with that 3500lbs? How fast do you have to go to get the wake clean? I am thinking about getting a 230 but not so sure about the temperamental nature I've read on some posts. I could care less about surf wake.

[Nordicron]

Oh and I run 750's in my back lockers plus arrow sac in front that prob only fills to 300. Also another 100lbs of lead right in front and 200lbs lead dispersed depending on how many people. Boat gets on plane nicely with the 1235 prop and throws a nice clean wake at 22. This is in a 08 San 210 btw.

[Ziplock]

I too think about this a lot. My typical set up is just like yours Nordicron, 750s and the arrow sack plus stock. Its decent but could be better. I am going to try adding an additional 750 in the floor, and another up in the nose filled just enough to get on plane. I should have an update within a week or so, the weather here in North Texas has been awesome lately. 80 yesterday

[scottb7]

Last year i was running for wakeboarding about that: 2/3 of 1100 sac on each side, plus full stock belly tank. I have an center locker sac, which holds about 600, that i plan to piggy back in the ski locker. So for wake boarding i could go full 1100 on each side, plus belly and piggy back. So should be **** big for wakeboarding.

It will be first year i surf behind the boat, so hope that i can make it work with some combo of above. i prefer to not do anything in the nose. i just want to do combo of rear sides, and belly/piggyback to belly. I am thinking this should work fine since ski locker is in front of the belly tank. I dont' want to mess with below seat storage in the bow.

[perry386]

Oh and I run 750's in my back lockers plus arrow sac in front that prob only fills to 300. Also another 100lbs of lead right in front and 200lbs lead dispersed depending on how many people. Boat gets on plane nicely with the 1235 prop and throws a nice clean wake at 22. This is in a 08 San 210 btw.

That arrow sack is supposed to run 650 when fully filled and all that stuff about the finicky wake I have to disagree with. The wake stays clean and I only ride 22-24 depending on the water. The only negative I have to so about the 230 is the weight has to be PERFECTLY distributed side to side, I would say down to 25 pounds. But the 230 is great and if you are considering it is definitely worth it......unfortunately no, I do not have any pics of the wake like that because my belly pump has gone out and I havent been able to fill it all in a while

[perry386]

Update on the thread!!!!....I miss-typed I have roughly 2500 pounds (not 3500) because I THINK the 230 comes with about 1000 stock and I have the Fly-high piggyback kit for the Nautique

[dh0125]

own a 2008 230. in addition to the stock, i have the 750lb sacs in each locker, the "v" sac in the bow, and the arrow sac in the ski locker next to the driver seat. at first i didn't have the arrow, but added it after having trouble with porpoise. so roughly 2400-2500 additional pounds. you could consider the wake slightly temperamental, but i think it's mainly mental. the slight wash at the top has little effect on the rider. we do regularly have to ask someone to move, but the center seat makes it easy. amazingly i cannot find any good pics of the wake. for what it's worth, we normally ride in shallow water. wake is much larger during trips to dale hollow/lake cumberland. not sure i would change/add any ballast. wake is definitely enough for the skills of who rides. for surfing, i fill everything except the opposite rear locker. wake is fine when in deeper water, but not really rideable when in shallow water. no one is a big fan of surfing, so it's not a big deal for us.

[wakerider107]

We got bored and put 5,000 in one day. wake was pretty crazy!
I usually run:
stock- 1,100
piggyback system- 400 each back locker and 725 under bow
sand bags- 180 behind each 400 to keep them from sliding back
fat brick- 155, port side
lead- 250 under bow filler

so about 3400 total

i used to run 750s in each back compartment, but the fitment wasnt very good and this required extra ballast in the bow. I'd prefer no bags on the seats

edit: pic of the wake is with 3400 and a few people at about 23.5-24mph

[perry386]

We got bored and put 5,000 in one day. wake was pretty crazy!
I usually run:
stock- 1,100
piggyback system- 400 each back locker and 725 under bow
sand bags- 180 behind each 400 to keep them from sliding back
fat brick- 155, port side

so about 3400 total

i used to run 750s in each back compartment, but the fitment wasnt very good and this required extra ballast in the bow. I'd prefer no bags on the seats

edit: pic of the wake is with 3400 and a few people at about 23.5-24mph

My math must be off or something cuz I have the same setup as you without the fat brick or the sand bags so I have 3025 I THINK! haha I dont know how I miss figured so many times! Let's see: stock 1100, 400 in each locker 625 in the bow and
250 of lead in the bow sooo yeah that comes out 3025. I got really confused. But that wake looks awesome! I cant wait to get my belly pump fixed so my wake can look like that.

[perry386]

So, after posting this I thought about how the question was actually what could you possibly do to a boat with fat sacs. The most i could think of was 1100's in the rear lockers, 250's under the seats, a fat brick under the co-pilot seat, 650 integrated bow sac, 650 arrow sac, 250 of lead in the bow, the 1200 pound floor sac and the 1100 pound seat sac. THATS 6705 POUNDS OF FAT SCAS!!!!! Put the 1100 pounds of factory in there and thats 7805 pounds!!!! Like I said if horsepower was no issue that would build the absolute biggest wake ever!

[wakerider107]

My math must be off or something cuz I have the same setup as you without the fat brick or the sand bags so I have 3025 I THINK! haha I dont know how I miss figured so many times! Let's see: stock 1100, 400 in each locker 625 in the bow and
250 of lead in the bow sooo yeah that comes out 3025. I got really confused. But that wake looks awesome! I cant wait to get my belly pump fixed so my wake can look like that.

oops, don't know where i got 725 for the bow! its 650 haha. also 300lbs in lead in the bow, forgot to list that. but total i have 3365lbs.
from what i know, adding weight above 6k doesnt really increase the size of the wake much. with that weight you already have to ride at 26.5mph. thats according to the one guy i know that rides that setup on the regular

[perry386]

oops, don't know where i got 725 for the bow! its 650 haha. also 300lbs in lead in the bow, forgot to list that. but total i have 3365lbs.
from what i know, adding weight above 6k doesnt really increase the size of the wake much. with that weight you already have to ride at 26.5mph. thats according to the one guy i know that rides that setup on the regular

26.5 would just be painful. I wouldnt even want the wake that big because you would lose all control and, considering I have Patella Tendonitis, I would go so high that when I landed my knees would scream in pain.

[moto822]

26.5 would just be painful. I wouldnt even want the wake that big because you would lose all control and, considering I have Patella Tendonitis, I would go so high that when I landed my knees would scream in pain.

I am looking at doing a similar setup:

gutting both my hard tanks and swapping with 1100's. 400 on the port compartment for surfing. Arrow in bow and we shall see how it looks. I may do some weights up from and in stern of boat if I have to but I am hoping to not need them with the added. I have thought about piggy back systems but I lose so much storage that I am not liking that option.

People with Piggy back, how are you handling storage? just leaving stuff on floor till your done? Also, my other thought is fill and empty time! what are you seeing for times?