wakeboarding with a 206 TSC3 hull

[jsta281]

when I bought my 2009 206 I got exactly what I wanted, a family size ski boat, understanding that other activities such as wakeboarding would not be "awesome" as compared to the larger v drive boats.

As I have tried to become more versed in evolution of the "206 sized DD" boats I see that from 97 to 2005 the Air Nautiques and Pro Air Nautiques were DD TSC hull boats with ballast and or towers.

Correct me if I am wrong but it seems that the TSC2 hull would be the least desirable for wakeboarding with the "lip" on the transom where the hydrogate is now located?

in terns of allowing a decent wakeboard wake to form are there dramatic differences between TSC and TSC3 with the hydrogate up that makes the older TSC hull better for wakeboarding?

In other words can I expect my 206 with 400 to 900 pounds of ballast and a boat full of people to wake board at least as good as the similarly equipped Pro Air Nautiques of the late 90's early to mid 2000?

[s_kelley2000]

I am pretty sure the 97-05 air nautique is a different hull than the 206. From 97 to I think 2005 the air/sport nautique was the same hull as the super air/super sport just the direct drive version. The air/sport eventually got replaced with the 216 but that is a different hull and is a stretched 196/206. The pro air was the same length as the air/sport but had different chine cutouts designed to make the rear end sink at wakeboard speeds and create a bigger wake. I hope that helped and didn't cause more confusion.

[jsta281]

So you don't think the 97-05 air antiques had theTSC hull?

[NCH2oSki]

when I bought my 2009 206 I got exactly what I wanted, a family size ski boat, understanding that other activities such as wakeboarding would not be "awesome" as compared to the larger v drive boats.

As I have tried to become more versed in evolution of the "206 sized DD" boats I see that from 97 to 2005 the Air Nautiques and Pro Air Nautiques were DD TSC hull boats with ballast and or towers.


In other words can I expect my 206 with 400 to 900 pounds of ballast and a boat full of people to wake board at least as good as the similarly equipped Pro Air Nautiques of the late 90's early to mid 2000?

The 98- xx sport/air are not on the tsc hull, the pro air hull is different also. Play around with the weight and keep adding friends, I'm sure you can produce enough wake to satisfy the weekend wakeboarder.

How about a few pics of your 206?

[jsta281]

NCH2oSki here is a link to the only real pictures I have. Will for sure post a few more when the 3 feet of snow melts away.

http://www.planetnautique.com/vb3/showpost.php?p=190325

Regarding the various hull designs used on the DD "Wakeboard" boats, I spent some time going through the brochures from 97-05 and that's what lead me to post what I did in the original post. I have no other info then what I extracted, perhaps erroneously, from the original brochures. With out going into specific details, that I likely won't understand, was the hull from these original DD wakeboard boats designated with some name or obvious design feature clearly identifying them as something other then the TSC hull? Thanks for entertaining my "Midwinter crisis", all the G23 love going on up in here (deservedly so she's a masterpiece) makes me long for some ski boat/crossover love :-).

[Surfsmith]

Thanks for entertaining my "Midwinter crisis", all the G23 love going on up in here (deservedly so she's a masterpiece) makes me long for some ski boat/crossover love :-).

jsta281, can't help you with your hull questions. But for some crossover love, the 200V is tough to beat. Sacking out my 206 was not going to be an option for me as it would have left little room for gear and the family! I thought the 206 would be the last boat I would buy, but as the family transitioned more from skiing to wakeboarding the 206 wasn't keeping up...

[s_kelley2000]

Regarding the various hull designs used on the DD "Wakeboard" boats, I spent some time going through the brochures from 97-05 and that's what lead me to post what I did in the original post. I have no other info then what I extracted, perhaps erroneously, from the original brochures. With out going into specific details, that I likely won't understand, was the hull from these original DD wakeboard boats designated with some name or obvious design feature clearly identifying them as something other then the TSC hull?

I definitely see where the confusion comes in as CC took advantage of the TSC marketing and started branding many of their hulls as TSC in the late 90s even though the only ones that actually had the TSC hull were the ski Nautique/196, 206 and later the 216...I think. My 99 super sport even has a TSC sticker on it but it is just marketing. The Pro Air had what they called TWC-total wake control.

I dont have any personal experience with a 206 but I am sure you can add some weight to your 206 and get at least a decent wakeboard wake. You may have better luck if you keep the speed on the slower side(21-22) because once you get going much faster than that the TSC design will likely start creating lift and the wake will start to flatten out. A fat sac in the bow walkway and another lengthwise between the back seat and motor box worked well in my old sport but that's a completely different hull. Good luck and your boat looks great!

[perry386]

If you invest some good time and money into a good fat sac setup you should be fine. And like kelley2000 said, keep it on the slow side. I got on my friends Prostar and 20.5 was the fastest I could go before the wake got really flat. Ended up riding 19.5 all day with a REALLY short rope :/

[Quinner]

Re: the Hull Question, 97-02 the 21' DD boat hull was the same, graphics varied between "Sport" and "Air" however the hull was the same. Not sure of the prior 2 yrs, in 99' the hull was tagged TSC. In 99' they also introduced a variation of that hull called the TWC, a wake specific hull option for the 21' DD boats which ran 99'-02', supposed to be a wakeboard specific hull. In 03' the 21' DD went away and the 20'-6" & 21'-6" DD's were introduced, typically referred to as the "206" & "216", both models available with various graphics be it "Air", "Ski Nautique", etc., the TSCx hull was (mostly) the same from 03' through 09'. 06' was the first year of the hydrogate (TSC3).
The Hook or Lip in the transom is there to force the bow down, per say. What the hydrogate does is allow you to remove that hook, which will cause the boat to ride a bit bow higher and create a different shape or slightly larger wake.

Not sure I agree you need to add weight to the 206 to wakeboard, lot's of inverted tricks completed behind our 206 (without hydrogate) without any ballast whatsoever on wakeboards, trick ski's and foils (lol, I know U don't need a wake to invert the foil, just adding it in there).

[Quinner]

To answer your last question, if you have more bodies in the boat the wake will definitely get bigger, you do need to be sure the weight is as even as possible from side/side. Should you desire to add ballast weight, If you do not have a trick tank in the trunk (200lbs ballast) you could certainly add a sack in there without cluttering up the floor.
The slow speed wake on a 206 vs a DD sport = with no weight sport will be slightly larger, with added weight (human or otherwise) they become very similar, when they start getting heavy (full fuel, full human ballast + some ballast weight) the 206 is a tiny bit steeper and about the same size.

[jsta281]

Thanks Quinner! As far as ballast fat sac makes a tube sac 370 lb that will go in the rear locker that is what I intend to use. I'm also considering the "twin set" fat sacs that are approximately 260 each for along side the clam shell. Having 500-800 pounds of people weight in the boat will also be common when wakeboarding.

[jsta281]

Re: the Hull Question, 97-02 the 21' DD boat hull was the same, graphics varied between "Sport" and "Air" however the hull was the same. Not sure of the prior 2 yrs, in 99' the hull was tagged TSC. In 99' they also introduced a variation of that hull called the TWC, a wake specific hull option for the 21' DD boats which ran 99'-02', supposed to be a wakeboard specific hull. In 03' the 21' DD went away and the 20'-6" & 21'-6" DD's were introduced, typically referred to as the "206" & "216", both models available with various graphics be it "Air", "Ski Nautique", etc., the TSCx hull was (mostly) the same from 03' through 09'. 06' was the first year of the hydrogate (TSC3).
The Hook or Lip in the transom is there to force the bow down, per say. What the hydrogate does is allow you to remove that hook, which will cause the boat to ride a bit bow higher and create a different shape or slightly larger wake.

Not sure I agree you need to add weight to the 206 to wakeboard, lot's of inverted tricks completed behind our 206 (without hydrogate) without any ballast whatsoever on wakeboards, trick ski's and foils (lol, I know U don't need a wake to invert the foil, just adding it in there).

the 97-02 21' DD boat hull was the same, graphics varied between "Sport" and "Air" however the hull was the same.

What hull did these boats have? Was it a 21 TSC?

In 99' they also introduced a variation of that hull called the TWC, a wake specific hull option for the 21' DD boats which ran 99'-02'

I thought you said that all 97-02 had the same hull? When you say same hull but a variation resulting in TWC hull that sounds like you had options for hull?


All the 03 and newer DD 206 and 216 boats had a TSC version hull regardless of what was painted on the side correct?

[jsta281]

It sounds funny to be adding a "whopping" 900 pounds ballast with people when wake boarders are adding 2500 pounds on top of the factory systems :-)

[Quinner]

The hull was called TSC (other then the TWC of 99-02 as noted below) from 99'-02', not sure about 97'-98', don't believe anything changed 97'-02' regardless what tag they gave it (except TWC, which was different)

TWC was the only option if you want to call it that. The TWC hull ran 99'-02', never saw one w/graphics other then "Pro Air", it was the same deck the 21' DD used, completely different wetted (hull) surface. Check out a 99' brochure, the TSC & TWC were very different both visually and performance wise.

Personally would not be in a hurry to add ballast, with just the trick tank (200 lbs) and people weight, ours did just fine.

[jsta281]

Thanks again I will hold off on the twin sacs and see how it goes. We don't have any wakeboarders in our immediate family but friends and cousins and nephews/nieces nobody think they are good at it however nobody is turning pro any time soon :-).