Mastercraft owners seem to be very jealous of CC owners...

[east tx skier]

Not sure about being jealous but I do know some of them sure don't seem to like non MC owners posting on team talk!

Other than some gentle ribbing, I have never been made to feel unwelcome over there since I jumped ship to CC. Nor was I ever made to feel unwelcome here when I still owned a MC. There seem to be quite a few owners of different brands over there these days. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but usually, some of the longer standing members are pretty quick to tamp that sort of rhetoric down when it's directed at someone in particular.

[chris196]

I went to my local CC dealer to get some parts for my GT40.
I took a quick look around the showroom and saw this display showing cutouts and parts from a CC compared with the corresponding parts from a competitor boat. Don't know what boat it was supposed to be from. But, it was pretty clear that CC was doing a little brand comparison themselves. Don't think a CC dealer is above some refined bashing themselves to make a sale.

BTW, those G23s and G25s are beasts, the 210 seems so small now. No SN200s on the floor at all.

[swc5150]

Naturally, CC will point out what makes their product superior in order to make sales. It's great when there's a side by side comparision, so one can see the difference, versus simple trash talking.

I just went to dealership that sells both MC and CC the other day, and not a single ski boat in the bunch.

[shag]

It's not trash talking when it's fact..... Both build good boats.... I feel CC is better. imo

[Zach@n3]

We didn't take a ski 200 to the boat show. They don't sell. People don't use direct drive boats like they used to. They all want the interior space and the big wake/bling/tower/sound system type boats. Which is fine. 200 buyers aren't going to put their boat on the water for a long weekend with 10 family members/friends. They are going to go out with 1 or 2 other people ski their sets wipe it down and put it away. The only people who are still serious 3 event skiers grew up that way. Anyone now getting into boating straps on a wakeboard and so recently a wake surf board.

The dynamic of a sport oriented boat buyer has changed dramatically over the last 15 years.

My family on the other hand prefers Direct Drive boats. The only thing we do that requires a big wake is when my brother and cousin kneeboard(back flips, barrel roles, etc.) When we aren't doing that we either slalom, barefoot, or trick ski. My 86' puts out more wake than needed on a kneeboard. We don't have a need for a V drive style boat.

That being said, I think it's very hard for families to justify dropping 60-80k on a direct drive tournament boat that only dad is going to use a few nights a week with his slalom buddies. I feel there would be a slot in the market for a bargain priced Ski Nautique 200.

So MC guys are Jealous of CC. They should be. There is a reason Correct Craft boats have such the following they do from the wood boats all the way up to the G series boats. I'm sure we have the biggest community of enthusiasts of any manufacturer. I don't really think anyone on the market makes a "bad boat" but there are so many factors that run through people's minds when purchasing. I talked to a lot of brand x buyers at the boat show this year that wished they would have dropped the extra coin on a Nautique as opposed to what they got for their money.

I won't dismiss someone for owning another brand, they are into the same type of fun I am, but I will give them a little crap about owning brand X in a playful manner. I would hope other brand owners would extend the same to me.

[nyryan2001]

One trend specific to MC ive observed throughout the states, is MC above all other brands.... often has a boatload of 16-20yo kids romping around in their Daddy's X whatever. Dad is rarely on the boat. I only see that primarily with MC. I guess each brand of boat has a target consumer and along with that a unique culture.

[santelee]

I have owned a 230 and malibu 23 LSV, looked at mastercrafts 4 yrs ago and this year prior to ordering a G23. i was really turned off by the bashing done by mastercraft dealer. I believe in this era there are a lot of fantastic boats by numberous manufactures. Nautique IMHO makes a fantastic product AND just as importantly stands behind it. That being said i could be happy with a lot of other boats, the G23 just the one for me at this time

[swc5150]

We didn't take a ski 200 to the boat show. They don't sell.

I think it's very hard for families to justify dropping 60-80k on a direct drive tournament boat that only dad is going to use a few nights a week with his slalom buddies. I feel there would be a slot in the market for a bargain priced Ski Nautique 200.

Amen to that! I know literally 15 people who would buy now, at 196 pricing. I'm not sure material cost alone would permit such pricing in 2013?

[Double D]

We didn't take a ski 200 to the boat show. They don't sell. People don't use direct drive boats like they used to. They all want the interior space and the big wake/bling/tower/sound system type boats. Which is fine. 200 buyers aren't going to put their boat on the water for a long weekend with 10 family members/friends. They are going to go out with 1 or 2 other people ski their sets wipe it down and put it away. The only people who are still serious 3 event skiers grew up that way. Anyone now getting into boating straps on a wakeboard and so recently a wake surf board.

The dynamic of a sport oriented boat buyer has changed dramatically over the last 15 years.

My family on the other hand prefers Direct Drive boats. The only thing we do that requires a big wake is when my brother and cousin kneeboard(back flips, barrel roles, etc.) When we aren't doing that we either slalom, barefoot, or trick ski. My 86' puts out more wake than needed on a kneeboard. We don't have a need for a V drive style boat.

That being said, I think it's very hard for families to justify dropping 60-80k on a direct drive tournament boat that only dad is going to use a few nights a week with his slalom buddies. I feel there would be a slot in the market for a bargain priced Ski Nautique 200.

So MC guys are Jealous of CC. They should be. There is a reason Correct Craft boats have such the following they do from the wood boats all the way up to the G series boats. I'm sure we have the biggest community of enthusiasts of any manufacturer. I don't really think anyone on the market makes a "bad boat" but there are so many factors that run through people's minds when purchasing. I talked to a lot of brand x buyers at the boat show this year that wished they would have dropped the extra coin on a Nautique as opposed to what they got for their money.

I won't dismiss someone for owning another brand, they are into the same type of fun I am, but I will give them a little crap about owning brand X in a playful manner. I would hope other brand owners would extend the same to me.

Zach,

Obviously your a dealer. So my question is this: Do you keep track of what your buyers are moving from to get to a V-Drive? I am interested in knowing if most v-drivers are;
A. Moving from a Direct Drive for more space
B. Moving from a Direct Drive for bigger waves and surfing, and hope they still have a DD feel and can ski
C. Moving from a previously owned v-drive. If so, what did they have before that?
D. Moving from an I/O or Outboard. Want to keep the openness of the I/O boat but want to eliminate the PITA outdrive and the problems it causes.

Just wondering....

Thanks!

[River Monsters]

Not a big fan of back slapping threads, but I will say we are moving from dd to vdrive primarily for additional space and the surf wake. If the Ski Nautique surfed better, we would have probably added a pontoon and just used the SN for watersports. Ski and wake board were fine for us.

[Zach@n3]

Swc, Mark and I were talking about Nautique building a "standard edition" style 200 and marketing it as a light weight no frills ultimate in slalom boats. If you could save a few hunderd pounds by saving money in other areas it indeed would be the most capable slalom boat ever build but retain the Nautique aura and quality.

Double D, I think I am a little behind the curve to see the influx of DD boats that were originally traded in on wake style boats. We see a lot of older style V drives traded in on more capable newer boats.

Just had a beautiful 94 1 owner ProStar 205 Traded on a nice 03 MariStar for interior room/better rough water capabilities.

Tons of potential trades from I/O to V drive boats. Everyone gets the bug for a V drive when the drive one vs. their I/O. Most potential buyers from the boat show were looking to get out of I/Os. Then again we do get a lot of new buyers with older Nautiques because the old boat has been so good to them they want to spend money on another.

Most of the drive for the newer V drive boats is convienence in usable area/tower and the greater capabilities for wakeboarding/wakesurfing.

We get a lot of different reasons from different buyers so its hard to pin down just one thing. I'm just stating what I think I have analized as far as current market trend to your V drive wake boats.

We do get a very large ammount of brand X boats traded in to move into either new or used Nautiques. Brand X meaning other brands of wake/ski/surf boats.

[AirTool]

Amen to that! I know literally 15 people who would buy now, at 196 pricing. I'm not sure material cost alone would permit such pricing in 2013?

I'm thinking if there were:
- no side lockers and a minimal trunk
- a closed bow on a hull not also designed to be open bow
- less upolstery
- a simpler windshield that didn't wrap around
- a simple dash with minimal simple gauges,
....you could almost call it cheap an have no change to the power and wake.

[shawndoggy]

I'm thinking if there were:
- no side lockers and a minimal trunk
- a closed bow on a hull not also designed to be open bow
- less upolstery
- a simpler windshield that didn't wrap around
- a simple dash with minimal simple gauges,
....you could almost call it cheap an have no change to the power and wake.

The axis of ski boats...

[Nautiquehunter]

I know you can order a stripped down 200 standard gauges and minimal options . I dont know how much it would lower the price . I have been looking at 200s for a wile now. I would love to buy one but cant justify 50k for a boat that would only get used a few hours a week especially since we already have the 210, Supra and pontoon.

[swc5150]

A stripped CB 200 was in the mid $40's in 2010, but that has jumped to low $50's in 2012 - OTD price of course. My '06 196SE was under $30k brand new, OTD (a stellar deal I grant you), but once the $40k barrier was crossed, I'm out. I'll be a TSC1 next I'm thinking.

Zach,
You must know Ryan from Watercraft? He's been pushing for a 196 training boat to be produced, but without luck.