G23 450 NSS Review

[nyryan2001]

Wow, nice wave Ryan. How is it when you weight evenly?

this setup is almost 12,000lbs. Very heavy. 7000+2900+1100+500 +500misc. what cheating to one side allows me to do is create a monster wave on one side because I dont care about the other side... I could evenly weight 800-1000 each side and be able to switch sides... but it certainly would NOT be this big.

[nyryan2001]

Hey nyryan, there seems to be a fair bit of exhaust in the pic, do you notice it when back there? has anybody found turn down tips that are eliminating this?

Both dealer and nautique say its mostly steam.... which very well could be true. the water in this pic is still cold, 64degs. Yes, there is a lot of something back there..... but to date, no heacahes, fatigue, dizziness, nausea or any of the symptoms of CO2. I used to get those sometimes from surfing my Malibu... I have not got any ot them yet with the G23. I am paying very close attention, and will report back if any of those symptoms arise. I plan to put at least 13-15hrs on the g this weekend, I will consider myself a failure if I fall short.

Buxton or one of their customers tried a few variations of FAE.... none of them have panned out yet or lasted. We need a custom design made for the G23, curent on the shelf versions even with support brackets not strong enough.

[Sac Surfer]

The white vapor is moisture in the gas most likely. As stated above steam. If you are getting a bunch of it, like above try marine(blue) stabil.

Sweet looking wave, jelous might be looking to get NSS installed on my 2010 210 if it's an option for the off season.

[biggator]

holy crap that's huge.

I'd love to see what it looks like with all that weight (less on opposite side, perhaps) and no NSS just for comparison.

[nyryan2001]

biggator- When we had it loaded that weight we turned off the NSS just to see what it would do.... wave looked like garbage. There isnt enough gansta lean on the surfside without the NSS. The lean required to get a clean wave without the NSS is much more extreme. the boat isnt leaned very much at all.... look at the horizon...my Iphone was also crooked making the boat lean look worse. I will try to use my Go Pro next time out and get some video.

[nyryan2001]

How about NO ballast whatsoever? None needed for my 8yr old using the NSS.

3/4 fuel, 11mph, NCRS 5 and Surf Vert 5. The Surf Vert seems to be most effective in No to light ballast setups.

[wakeboarder3780]

ryan, with those 1100s in the rear lockers do you notice the engine divider walls bowing in at all (you come from a malibu background so you know that we had to reinforce our engine wall dividers on those boats). I'm hoping with how wide the lockers are it isn't an issue. Thanks for all the great feedback you're providing. I already know what prop to get for the G when I can buy one from your posts. Now I'm getting free ballast intel

Also, how did you decide to integrate the 1100s with the stock system? Piggy back overflow? Add additional pumps and custom switches somewhere? Piggy back + additional fill pumps to push more water through the stock feed?

[nyryan2001]

ryan, with those 1100s in the rear lockers do you notice the engine divider walls bowing in at all (you come from a malibu background so you know that we had to reinforce our engine wall dividers on those boats). I'm hoping with how wide the lockers are it isn't an issue. Thanks for all the great feedback you're providing. I already know what prop to get for the G when I can buy one from your posts. Now I'm getting free ballast intel

Also, how did you decide to integrate the 1100s with the stock system? Piggy back overflow? Add additional pumps and custom switches somewhere? Piggy back + additional fill pumps to push more water through the stock feed?

3780- Yep I know what you are talking about.... but never had an issue on the Malibu because i was always slammed to one side for surfing....so the leaning weight of the bag was on the hull, not the divider wall. never was an issue for me. I can tell you that you can put 1100s in the rear trunks and completly max them out... and have no issues with the walls. No issues for me so far on the G23. you will have trouble getting an additional 2200lbs up to 22mph on the 450 even with the 2315. But we need someone to demo and report back on the ACME 2419. That extra drop in cup should make all the difference.

Blanton at Butxon did the pumbing job... and did an EXCELLENT job. he put in a Y valve right after the Jabscos that either pump/suck water from the factory bags or the 1100s. He secured the bags in place so they dont slide around... and he plumbed in an overflow using the existing thru hull for the bilge pump. So no additional drilling in the fiberglass, and I completely fill them and cut the pump off after I see it peeing out the side. Once the factory tanks are full, I turn the valve and the 1100 starts to fill while we begin out surfing. takes about another 8-10 mins for that 1100 to fill.

I have some interest in doing the same thing in a removeable setup for an 1100 bow sac for the fron off the 3rd belly Jabsco.

[ironj32]

you will have trouble getting an additional 2200lbs up to 22mph on the 450 even with the 2315.

A total of an extra 2200 between the rear and front with the ZR 450 and the 2315 is about all it will handle. 2200 in the rear trunks alone will never happen, with that engine...that's even starting to push the limits of the 550.

[wakeslasher69]

Hey nyryan I have one or two more questions on ballast. You seem to like the "lean" even with NSS correct? Have you run just ONE SIDE of the factory ballast with NSS to see what that looks like? I know with the LSV 247 I'm coming out of the lean and weight push the hull down in the water for the huge wake on one side but since NSS is a different method of getting a big surf wake does the AMOUNT of weight matter as much if you are still using lean and NSS? Again I'm trying to get away from extra ballast if possible but I'm coming from the huge LSV 247 wake as well. I ran 750lb in the rear surf side locker in the LSV and with bodies on the boat on that side it was HUGE! For the G23 NSS I don't care as much about 'instantly' switching from lefty to righty just a nice size clean wave. So if you just fill one side of the factory ballast in the G23 deploy the NSS with your surf setting from above what does that get you? Thanks so much for this string! I'm about two weeks from my delivery and I want to benefit from your fiddling so I don't waste half the summer dialing her in!

[Laketexoma]

What lake in OK are you on?

[nyryan2001]

Laketexoma- Lawtonka.... when are you coming up? Deep clear water here... albeit windy sometimes. I have a couple buddies here talking about taking a trip down there for one of the bigger weekends.

WS69- its not a "heavy gansta lean" with the NSS, its a slight cheat. with my malibu it certainly was an extreme lean. if you have no weight on the other side with the NSS gate supposed to be doing the delayed convergence.... is so far up and out of the water that you have dimishing effects with the delayed convergence technology the NSS offers.

The slight cheat i describe IMO offers the best of both worlds.... you get the delayed wake covergence effects, which are undisputed at this point... and you get the benefits of cleaning up the wave on the side you prefer without having to carry overly stupid weight for that same great wave on both sides. i too dont care much about "transitions" on the fly. that would be fun to fool around with with a boat load of folks after a few beers... but not something I am working on 2-3 times weekly.

1100 in one trunk and maybe 500 in the other is 10-15% of the percieved extreme lean I used to have to do with the Malibu. It doesnt feel much of a lean at all on the G23, its a very big heavy bouyant boat.

One other thought I will provide for consideration as far as "how we roll": lots of more advanced and pro riders will hate and talk garbage on that huge 3-4ft wave above being too big, bad form and not rideable. I am not a pro. on the pro tours, and in competitions, they want a 15-20ft long thigh high perfect "centurion style" formed waves so they can race down, hit the lip and get 2-4ft of air, spin, shuvit, ride backwards etc etc. Thats great and everyone loves to see that and the tricks they pull off, no doubt. Its amazing just in the last 12 months how far wakesurfing has progressed. I am not at that level and likely never will be. I first wakesurfed in 2007... I am 37, 205lbs, 6'1", most of the guys pulling those huge airs are much smaller. I grew up in FL surfing small waves like these...and am out there to have fun with my crew... we have a blast on those bigger waves. Good times, music, beer and some sport... thats what we are after, maybe some spins and some comparitively small airs. Not going to break any records here. So if you are after a competition wave to rack up points on the pro tour... this setup might not be one to look into, perhaps an Enzo.

[wakeslasher69]

Nah I'm with you nyryan, I'm 44, 205 and 6'2". No aerial stunts for me or my crew, we just want to ride and have fun. Just a nice size wave with some push is all we need. Again really appreciate the feedback this will go a long way to help out that first weekend the new G hits the water!

[wakeboarder3780]

Sorry, another question I can't seem to find an answer to. If there is 2800 lbs stock, what is the distribution? I'm trying to figure out how big of a sac to make if I wanted to run a pump with the stock pump so they eould both complete filling at the same theoretical time (I understand due to gravity, pump wear, etc it wont be exact). I think I will likely try to rig it up so when i flip the stock switch to fill, both the stock pump and my added pump run together.

[ironj32]

Sorry, another question I can't seem to find an answer to. If there is 2800 lbs stock, what is the distribution?

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