G23 450 NSS Review

[Laketexoma]

Laketexoma- Lawtonka.... when are you coming up? Deep clear water here... albeit windy sometimes. I have a couple buddies here talking about taking a trip down there for one of the bigger weekends.

WS69- its not a "heavy gansta lean" with the NSS, its a slight cheat. with my malibu it certainly was an extreme lean. if you have no weight on the other side with the NSS gate supposed to be doing the delayed convergence.... is so far up and out of the water that you have dimishing effects with the delayed convergence technology the NSS offers.

The slight cheat i describe IMO offers the best of both worlds.... you get the delayed wake covergence effects, which are undisputed at this point... and you get the benefits of cleaning up the wave on the side you prefer without having to carry overly stupid weight for that same great wave on both sides. i too dont care much about "transitions" on the fly. that would be fun to fool around with with a boat load of folks after a few beers... but not something I am working on 2-3 times weekly.

1100 in one trunk and maybe 500 in the other is 10-15% of the percieved extreme lean I used to have to do with the Malibu. It doesnt feel much of a lean at all on the G23, its a very big heavy bouyant boat.

One other thought I will provide for consideration as far as "how we roll": lots of more advanced and pro riders will hate and talk garbage on that huge 3-4ft wave above being too big, bad form and not rideable. I am not a pro. on the pro tours, and in competitions, they want a 15-20ft long thigh high perfect "centurion style" formed waves so they can race down, hit the lip and get 2-4ft of air, spin, shuvit, ride backwards etc etc. Thats great and everyone loves to see that and the tricks they pull off, no doubt. Its amazing just in the last 12 months how far wakesurfing has progressed. I am not at that level and likely never will be. I first wakesurfed in 2007... I am 37, 205lbs, 6'1", most of the guys pulling those huge airs are much smaller. I grew up in FL surfing small waves like these...and am out there to have fun with my crew... we have a blast on those bigger waves. Good times, music, beer and some sport... thats what we are after, maybe some spins and some comparitively small airs. Not going to break any records here. So if you are after a competition wave to rack up points on the pro tour... this setup might not be one to look into, perhaps an Enzo.

nyryan I grew up in Duncan so I know that lake. Nice place but not much of a wind black!! LOL Come on down sometime. Texoma gets rough form big boats and wind also but we can find some places to ride..

[tommy1005]

just curious if anybody knows how the wave would look with say 750 or 900lb bags in each rear locker with the stock 2800 full and using the NSS, and if the 450hp motor would be able to get it up to surfing speeds with the added weight in the back or would you need the LSA to get it done?

[surroundsound64]

nyryan I grew up in Duncan so I know that lake. Nice place but not much of a wind black!! LOL Come on down sometime. Texoma gets rough form big boats and wind also but we can find some places to ride..

Cool! I grew up in Duncan too. Parents still live there. Used to ride out at clear creek a lot.

[nyryan2001]

Tommy- read back thru this thread. The biggest wave... approx 4ft, is with 2900 OEM ballast, 1100 surf side + 500 or so on the other.

[nyryan2001]

Bump. Lots of requests for pics and G23 NSS wakesurf setup...go back to page 1.... page 5 has pics of it really dialed in.

[fatchance720]

Tommy- read back thru this thread. The biggest wave... approx 4ft, is with 2900 OEM ballast, 1100 surf side + 500 or so on the other.

When I tried that weight setting the wave did not form. I had to have more weight in the bow???

[nyryan2001]

When I tried that weight setting the wave did not form. I had to have more weight in the bow???

No, absolutely not.

you are following THESE settings?

Full OEM ballast, all 3 tanks full

1100 extra in the surfside trunk, completely maxed out.

11.6mph -11.8mph

NCRS 5, SurfVerft 3. The real useable range is NCRS 3-5 and SurfVert 0-4 based on your pref.

All your extra folks and heavier gear on your surf side.

If you are still not getting a good wave you need to take pics of your wave and your setup and post them up here so we can see whats going on.

[fatchance720]

I will try again, When I tried that I had full oem, 1100 completely maxed in port and 500 in starboard, nothing in the bow beyond oem. The wave would not form when I tried it. (that was before I learned to manually fill though, instead of using a user setting. I suppose it was possible that the bow was not completely full.
Also what do you do to reinforce the locker from caving in?

[nyryan2001]

I will try again, When I tried that I had full oem, 1100 completely maxed in port and 500 in starboard, nothing in the bow beyond oem. The wave would not form when I tried it. (that was before I learned to manually fill though, instead of using a user setting. I suppose it was possible that the bow was not completely full.
Also what do you do to reinforce the locker from caving in?

First, scratch the extra 500lbs in the other locker till you get things worked out. Def not necessary. Thats for a 4ft monster wave. And I doubt you could do that on the stock 2313 prop, seriously doubt you could get that up to 11.6mph. Sounds like you got stuck at 8-10mph.

you need to double check these settings.... are you gettingthe boat up to up to 11.6mph? it may be too much weight unless you have the 2315. is your NSS on? and highlighted? with the arrow pointing to the correct side of the boat? Sounds either like you got stuck at 8mph due to the OEM 2313 prop, or one of your settings isnt right.

If you are getting stuck... scratch the 500 in the other locker and reduce weight to 750 in the surfside trunk and keep your NCRS at 0...untill you get up to 11.6, THEN tap it up to 4-5. that NCRS tab at 5 creates quite a bit of drag even from takeoff. You might need to do this till you get the 2315.

Nautique needs a software flash that will allow auto-NCRS to work with NSS. NCRS starts at 0 at takeoff... and then adjust to 4-5 when you speed control takes over at 11.6.

[wakeslasher69]

Agree with nyryan on it sounds like you are not getting up to speed. If you don't hear the beep from the Linc system when you reach your set speed (if you have the beep turned on) the NSS will not engage.

[rs]

My neighbor has a G23, he had to get his NSS fixed once already - the wave stopped forming on the left side for awhile, but now it's running fine.

[fatchance720]

Ok, either I haven't seen it yet or nobody has the same problem, what about the locker caving in when you use 1100 pound bags? I had to pull my 1100 and put 750 in because it was caving in the entire locker toward the engine.
What are people doing to reinforce it? Any applications that do not require drilling into the boat?

[iamcdn]

Ok, either I haven't seen it yet or nobody has the same problem, what about the locker caving in when you use 1100 pound bags? I had to pull my 1100 and put 750 in because it was caving in the entire locker toward the engine.
What are people doing to reinforce it? Any applications that do not require drilling into the boat?

I am not sure if the G's are the same dividers as the 210s but I did the same thing as you can see here: http://www.planetnautique.com/vb3/sh...975#post203975 and it has worked awesome. 1100s in the 210 definitely cause a bow in the divider. I didn't have to drill anything but I was able to use the holes that were left from where the hard tanks were mounted, you wouldn't have that ability since I suspect the 1100s are going above the hard tanks on the Gs.

[nyryan2001]

It has never happend to me... Not once....and I completely fill mine up...

guys on the Malibu Forum have reinforced the panels with 3-4 3/4" square tubing that run along the panels.... And along the tracks, all it can't skip and jump the tracks.

[ers906]

Mine bows significantly. I am going to try the trapezoidal Ronix bags that fill 1100 in 3 minutes, but I also ordered a second set of dividers to dissipate the pressure of the sacs. Should be in today, we will see how it works. Also, my dealer just got the surf pipe from Nautique and it will be installed next week. Will post pics.