What are people towing their G23 with?

[Clibka]

Not sure what you are getting at. I wouldn't consider a Ford unless us was a newer diesel or the 6.2l. When I bought, all they had was the 5.4L. Not sold on the V6 ecoboost. I wouldn't consider a Ford 1/2 ton, not for me.

last nite I walked the Ford lot after they closed:

F250 diesel nicely equipped with leather, Nav etc: $60-63k msrp
F250 diesel less equipped with cloth seats $55-57k msrp

Love my eb (limited experience though, first truck) I probably wouldn't put a g behind it unless I HAD to. But that engine does continue to surprise.

[gate9869]

2011 f250 6.7 liter diesel, I wont know for another two week on how it tows but I don't think it will be a problem !!

[Ride Lab]

WOW...thats a sexy truck

Thank you we love it.

[Zach@n3]

So whats the point of the Eco boost if it gets the same mpg or worse than a v8? Similar torque numbers and hp. If it performs better than a Ford v8 then go for it. Seems as if they targeted economy as the goal but didn't do any better. All of our customers love their eco boost trucks but I couldn't get over the 6 cylinder sound when compared to a v8. There are also lots more expensive parts to fail on a twin turbo engine later on. Not bashing eco boosts in the least. Just seems as if Ford over sold and under delivered other than that it is a good performer. I am very impressed with the v8 fuel economy of my Ram. No wind it usually averages around 14mpg towing my boat. 20-21 highway unloaded.

When Dodge releases the half ton with a turbo diesel then were talking.

[BrennanK]

So whats the point of the Eco boost if it gets the same mpg or worse than a v8? Similar torque numbers and hp. If it performs better than a Ford v8 then go for it. Seems as if they targeted economy as the goal but didn't do any better. All of our customers love their eco boost trucks but I couldn't get over the 6 cylinder sound when compared to a v8. There are also lots more expensive parts to fail on a twin turbo engine later on. Not bashing eco boosts in the least. Just seems as if Ford over sold and under delivered other than that it is a good performer. I am very impressed with the v8 fuel economy of my Ram. No wind it usually averages around 14mpg towing my boat. 20-21 highway unloaded.

When Dodge releases the half ton with a turbo diesel then were talking.

The EcoBoost tows much better then a lot of the v8's. Yeah the towing fuel economy sucks but that is what you pay for a good towing gasser. They would get much better unloaded fuel economy if they sold more with the taller gears, but everyone wants that combo of pulling and MPG which isn't really possible. There was another thread on here a little while back that was discussion the EcoBoost and the G23. I'll try and dig that up.

Personally, I am skeptical of a half ton diesel. What is the point? With all the emissions stuff, more expensive maintenance, even more expensive parts then the EcoBoost, cuppled with more expensive fuel just does not look like a winning combo. If you need the power of a diesel you get a 3/4 ton or larger. With the new direct injected gas engines making their way out the fuel economy gap is closing as well. Yes, there will be a market for the go fast half ton boys, but if you are buying a half-ton to tow all the time you are making a mistake. I am currently withholding full judgement until I see some real MPG numbers, but I wouldn't expect much higher then 28 on the highway.

[jsta281]

I don't have any personal experience with the ecoboost my brother in law just bought one but other then the "drive around the block" I don't have personal experience. However what I understand is that empty the truck is faster quicker with just generally "more fun" to drive and better milage then the comparable V8. I would even suggest that mildly loaded or weighted it still does better on fuel then a V8. Loaded with a G the turbo would be constantly under heavy boost and ya mpg will suck!

If I bought a new half ton that would be what I would buy. The fact that a V6 can pull a G is pretty impressive. As far as longevity Ford has really sold that (true or not) to be much better as well.

[saceone]

I don't own a G (...yet...!) but I do haul alot of weight with my FX4 EB.

I typically haul two bundles of 5/8 firecode 4x8 drywall (64 sheets) in a dual axle , 7 pin plug/brakes, 2400 empty weight 6x10 dumping trailer. weight around 7-8000 lbs with my tools in the bed+crew. It stops on a dime. on the highway , if I put it in manual and want to be dumb I can haul *** (while looking at my gas gauge plummeting). All in all, if you tow a few miles, even in the city, there's nothing wrong with a EB. 100 miles of mountain roads...might wanna switch to a duramax/cummins !!

[Zach@n3]

I was just thinking the diesel half ton for engine longevity and highway mpg. I tow enough to have a truck but I also look at it from an economical standpoint because I can't afford insurance and payment on another smaller newer car to get good mpg for road trips. The truck serves dual duty. I want something that won't kill me on the highway and that will pull anything I own. What are the EB's rated to tow? My truck is 10,850. I've heard that the diesel Dodge is going to be rated at 30 mpg highway. The thing about a diesel too is that they generally grab far better around town economy than a gasser. Which is big because my commute consists of 5 miles each way. What type of highway MPG are you guys getting unloaded with the EB trucks?

The half ton trucks are getting such high towing ratings these days. It's funny my 96 12v was only rated to tow 11k lbs back then. It would tow slightly more than that .

Generally turbo cars are always more fun to drive than NA cars. Power comes on hard and fast during spool. Maybe I should turbo the Ram?

[Zach@n3]

Oh and 281's statement about durability. My thing is that Ford sells this as an engine that can take anything and everything that owners are going to beat the piss out of them reducing engine life.

Who knows these might be the wonder engine they have described and run consistantly for 300k+ miles of hard towing. It would be pretty cool if it works out that way.

[bradw]

I'm looking at what im going to use to tow my G which arrives just in time for next spring (Down Under). I'm torn between two options buy a new car to drive during the week (approximate 700km/week) and an older truck to the tow the G (80km trip to the river, 10kms to the lake) or buying a truck to drive during the week and to tow the boat.

I'd love to get a GMC or Chev dual cab pick up but the problem is they are crazy expensive down under due to converting LHD to RHD so that kinda puts them out.

Why cant it be simple!

[Zach@n3]

What options do you have down there?

[bradw]

The options are pretty limited not many of our trucks are rated to tow 3500kgs+. A lot of our dual 4x4 cab utes (Nissan navara, Toyota Hilux, etc) are powered by motors with less than 400nM or torque and are only rated to 3000kgs The new holden coloardo or Isuzu Dmax are both rated to 3500kgs but they are made in Thiland so im not sure how well they last. This really only leaves a Nissan patrol, Toyota land cruiser, VW Tourag, Audi Q7 (Land Rovers dont do it for me) that are rated at 3500kgs or an American pick up.

I think im going to lean towards getting a petrol V8 landcruiser to tow the boat and then keep using a car to drive to and from work. Given that the lake is only a 30km round trip and the river 140kms. I might do the odd trip to another lake but i dont see that happening very often and the cost saving on the petrol truck will offset the extra fuel charge for a number of years.

An example of what an american pick up is worth down under after its been made legal down under http://www.carsales.com.au/demo/deta...ock&sort=Price

Cheers

[s_kelley2000]

Wow $136K for a US truck! I assume that is in Australian dollars so it's actually closer to $140K in USD.

[Zach@n3]

Goodness, guess we truck drivers have it good over here. I think there are quite a few people towing with the VW. Don't they return good highway mpg as well?