SV 211 vs 210

[keukawake]

I looked at the both 211 and the 210. I ended up getting the 210. And I am a little puzzled with some of the commetns that folks make regarding the 211.

Interior size is often brought up. I don't get it, there is similar seating between the two IF you opt for the OPTIONAL rear seat in the 211.

Higher out of the water. Side of the boat to water yes, but the distances from floor to seat cusion and seat cusion to gunwale was greater for both measurements in the 210 (back seats). I don't recall the exact measurements, but it was multiple inches difference. In other words, you would be less likely to fall out of a 210 (but would also have less of a fall to the water!!).

The seats were more comfortable in the 210 (perhaps because they were taller and higher back support?). This is obviously subjective, but my dad has a bad back and he couldn't get comfortable in the 211, but was fine in the 210

The 210 was much more responsive IMO than the 211 in holeshot and turning (my opinion based on feel, not sure what actual tests would show).

My I/O had snap-in carpet, and I am glad to be rid of it. I like the look and feel of "glued-in" carpet.

I also personally don't like the walk-through transom, but could have lived with it.

The 211 was a nice boat, but I am surprised to see how many rate it better than the 210 in some areas.

Perhaps the 2005 boats are bigger than the 2004s??

[clubmyke]

went out recently and tried 1500 lbs (750 stock ballst & 640 lead).
(160 in each locker, 240 bow, 80 to move around).. got a really nice ultra clean wake with good pop..

then tried it with another 1000 in extra bag ballast.. (500 in back and 500 bow)

the wake wasnt that different (tiny bit bigger, and i do mean tiny...) but not worth the extra 1000 lbs....

btw, the 210 is a little bit longer and the 211 is a little bit wider..

[DizzyG]

For a person who is going to ride both the 210 and the 211 this weekend, is there any advice for things to look at besides what is mentioned here? I'm totally torn from the specs and if the wake if that different I'll end up going with a 210. I really like the walk through on the 211 in the rear and that for my friends who still ski, they will get an ok wake too. That's just a bonus because I stopped skiing soon after taking up wakeboarding.

For someone looking for a great wake, is it really a big difference from the 210 to the 211?
Is a stock 211 similar/same to a stock 210? (with the stock factory ballast when I say stock)
When adding weight, does the 210 get bigger and the 211 stay the same?

Does anyone have comments on engine upgrades for either/both? Are they needed if you're going to load one down?

[ag4ever]

If you are only looking for the SAN steep bucking wake, the 211 won't be what you are looking for. I think the 211 wake is much closer to a BU's wake (wedge down) which is not bad, just different.

[DizzyG]

I don't like the wedge at all on the Malibus, it just makes the wake wide and I have to ride short.
I'm used to riding 80' or so out and a rampy wake. I don't dislike that huge huck the 210 will throw you into, but if the 211 is still a big wake I would consider it. I'll probably add a bunch of ballast front and rear to any I get, 1000+ lbs.

I guess, for a wakeboarder, is the 211 still a great wake? Or is it more of an ok wake for people who need to ski too?
Do people with 211's seem to think that the rear walkway from the ski platform to the boat helps out with wear and tear? Or is it just something they don't use?

[WakeUpDude]

The 211 doesn't throw as *tall* of a wake, stock. I use the world "tall" as height is a fact, and not an opinion. "Tall" is ussually associated with "bigger". So, the 211 doesn't throw as *big* of a wake as the 210.

The 211 is a total crossover boat. It's short like a true slalom boat, and wide to maintain a gentle lump at higher speeds opposed to a curb. I don't know skiing termanology, so excuse my ignorance with "lump" and "curb". The lump returns as a shorter, rampier wake in the 20mph zone.

As for the walk through transom, I don't see the point. You can't sack the rear of the boat evenly, and if you can't lift your leg onto the sun deck, your doctor probably wouldn't recommend you be on the water. I have yet to see a mid-90's Super Sport with worn out sundeck vinyl.

[clubmyke]

one can sack the 211 in back a couple differnt ways.. i have 2- 500 lb fat sacs and 2 rule 1100 pumps that i use together so i get the both sides even...i can get them about 2/3 full.

keep in mind the 211 has a ski locker which holds a fat sac out of the way ( i really like this)

another way that i really like is sliding the jump seat forward and running 1 fat sac across the the back.

what is really interesting about the 211 is you dont need alot of extra ballast to get the best out of it. i have gotten really good results with a additional 500 to 900 lbs in a 60/40 split.

in regards to the wake, the 211 is nothing like the bu imo..it is less steep than the 210 but still has a nice kick on top.. in comparing the 2, the 210 is still the better / steeper between them.

the 211 is a nice crossover boat that has a better interior layout imo and a shade bigger imo and handles really well in chop (everyone who has been in my 211 comments on this)..

conclusion, both are great boats.. if you want a serious wake, then a 210..a nice all around/family boat then the 211..

[FatBoy]

I too have played around with the weight on my 211 and have found that about 500 pounds extra works nicely. I have 170 pounds of lead in each rear locker and 160 pounds of lead in the ski locker. With the tanks full that equals about 1250 pounds of total ballast. The wake on my boat is not as tall as a 210 but it will launch you to the moon. The ski wake behind the 211 with the 500 pounds of lead and the tanks empty is still good, my wife still ski's. I also have two 400 pound fat sacs, I fill one in the drivers side locker and fill the other one on the seat behind the driver along with all tanks full to make a huge goofie foot surf wake. I have found that when surfing on a 211 don't add weight right up front in the bow. It just makes the wake on the 211 longer and it doesn't push you as well. The 211 likes all the weight in the rear and midship for surfing.

I love the walk thru on my 211, it is really nice. If I had it to do over again I would buy anouther 211, oh wait, I am already on my second 211.

I too don't like the wake of the BU, it's just too wide as someone else has stated.

[ag4ever]

I do agree that the width of the 211 is a lot tighter than a 'bu, but what I was talking about was the shape of the wake as a ramp, not the width from wake to wake. in this aspect all Nautiques have the edge over the other brands.

Personally, if the 211 was out when I bought my SAN I would have one of them instead. I am not a pro anything, so the crossover boat would be perfect for me. Heck, I have been talking to the dealer about geting one, just have not decided to do it since they are rather pricy, and I still love my SAN.

[DizzyG]

Well I drove both last night with stock ballast, I also rode behind both. There's no doubt about it, the 210 wake is better stock. It has that buck that you expect. The 211 wake was still very nice for having 200Lbs less in it. I really think that if you weighted a 211 down well it would be pretty nice.

Probably not that huge huck you get from the 210 when it is weighted out, but it's still going to be nice. What do people think when they compare the VLX wake to the 211 wake? They are probably pretty similar. I don't want to hear about VLX's with the wedge down, then you end up with that wide wake you have to ride short!

I loved everything else about the 211 better than the 210. It is much roomier inside, the walkway from the mid to the bow is a ton wider. You can't even put the jump seat between there in the 210. The ski locker is a perfect place for a front/mid sack...I think that's my favorite so far, at least for my needs.

Oh and the handling, everyone was dead on, the 211 is much better in rough chop. I still like the 210, just the layout of the 211 seems to be better thought out!

[dabigkahuna]

My 211 is insane. The walk-through transom is awsome, it not only saves the vinyl, it is way safer. The handling is smooth, precise, and solid. The wake is far more than I actually need, may not be the 210, but more than enough to get you higher than you probably should be! I use my boat in salt water, keep it on a lift, and don't use a boat cover (because I use it every couple of days, it's too much hassle). No problems, no complaints. I love my 211.