Can you trailer a SANTE 210 with an Acadia Denali?

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  • jonsquatch
    • Jul 2012
    • 251

    • AZ

    • 2012 Super Air Nautique Byerly Icon

    #16
    Nautique claims 3,900 dry for the 210 currently. That includes all there standard optional equipment, add the NSS (it hasn't changes since they added it and thats got to be at least 30-40 ish pounds...) and a Z5 and an anchor and lets just call it 4000, the trailer varies but its probably at least 1000 - 1200 pounds +50lbs for the spare that doesn't come with it. 37lbs of gasoline weighs 231.25lbs, I carry probably another 200-250lbs of gear on board plus a cooler with 20lbs of ice and 35lbs+ of refreshments. That's how I show up at the boat ramp, plus 500lbs of bomb sacks (ballast) So if I say probably just over 6000 lbs for me that sounds pretty accurate.

    For my setup my 2wd Silverado Extended cab with locking diff and tow package with optional gearing wasn't cutting it. My acceleration was tolerable and breaking was adequate. The suspension wasn't up to the task of all that weight and even locked it was a struggle to get traction on some of the ramps around here.

    Look at the ratings on your vehicle and equipment. What class of hitch can you get for your vehicle 3, 4, 5? I think the stock equipment and most of what you find for those smaller SUV's is class 3 rated at 5000lbs max. I believe the Acadia is rated at
    5200 but comes with a hitch rated at only 5000 and even if you can get a class 4 hitch you would still be over the vehicle rating.

    I ended up going with a 4wd Suburban 2500 (3/4 ton), even in 2wd on easier ramps (that I used to slip a little on) its no problem, really only need 4wd on the worst of the ramps then its no drama at all (bigger tires help). The bigger engine, and bigger brakes mean you really don't notice that your towing (other than the 8-9 mpg). I can fit 8 and fit all my gear and get there safely and stay way under the
    10,000lbs my hitch can handle and could go with a class 5 and get all of my 12,000 lb capacity. I do have a firestone airbag setup on my rear axle to level out the ride but its not really needed, I only use it because its there.

    Really I think the 2500 Suburban or the Yukon XL or the Excursion are the right way to go if you want an SUV and they cost about the same as the 3/4 ton trucks new, but don't hold their value used anywhere near as well as the trucks do so if you are going used they are easier on the wallet than a truck. If your lucky you can find one that someone convinced a soccer mom to drive because it "could" be used to tow something and the gas mileage is killing them so they want to get rid of it. The Nissan Armada can do 9k equipped properly and will get between 2-4mpg better in all likelihood. I have driven one and really liked it but inside its not as big and its nearly impossible to find a good used one as compared to the other 2 I mentioned, hardly anyone outfits them to tow and then lets them go. Whatever you get take a close look at what trailering equipment it comes with, more often than not it doesn't match up with the vehicle max rating. If you buy a new one and they are sticking you with a 5k class 3 hitch sometimes you can get it without one and save some cash towards the replacement you are going to need.

    2012 Super Air Nautique 210 Byerly Icon Edition EX343 <-- Current Boat
    2007 Reinell 185 BR Volvo Penta 4.3GL <-- Former Boat
    1988 Bayliner 195 Capri OMC Cobra 5.0 <-- Former "starter" Boat

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    • tommy1005
      • Jul 2009
      • 73



      #17
      You don't need a 3/4 ton anything to tow a 210. If you like smaller SUV's look at the new grand cherokee, 7400lb rating with the Hemi or the Dodge Durango, basically the same truck with a longer wheelbase, or any of the German SUV's. All of those are rated at 7000 plus. Should be in the ballpark price wise as the Acadia Denali and much more capable.

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      • jonsquatch
        • Jul 2012
        • 251

        • AZ

        • 2012 Super Air Nautique Byerly Icon

        #18
        Absolutely, but the challenge is to get the equipment to do it safely, how many people have the rated tow capacity but a 5k class 3 hitch, a 5k draw bar, a 6k ball. The hitches they install and are readily available are often not rated for the max capacity, and just because my Silverado was rated to be able to carry the load doesn't mean it was capable of doing so with a margin of safety I was comfortable with, and it was severely traction limited. Mine is right at 7k as I tow I figure the average is probably about 6k. I have a friend that tows his 210 with a BMW X5. He is right at the tow limit and knows he is on borrowed time but having 4wd means he can get up the ramps, but his braking distance is much longer than mine. I think someone already pointed out that it does matter how far and how frequently you tow. I do 350-400 a shot >30 times a year most of it on the interstate with 75mph speed limits which means everyone else is doing 85-90. I want the stability and braking capacity. My friend lives 15 miles from the lake on one lane back roads with at top speed of 50. We each get to decide what level we are comfortable with.

        2012 Super Air Nautique 210 Byerly Icon Edition EX343 <-- Current Boat
        2007 Reinell 185 BR Volvo Penta 4.3GL <-- Former Boat
        1988 Bayliner 195 Capri OMC Cobra 5.0 <-- Former "starter" Boat

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        • scottb7
          1,000 Post Club Member
          • Aug 2011
          • 2198

          • Carson City, Nevada

          • 2014 G21 (Current) 2008 SANTE 210

          #19
          My wife has an old (2001) mercedes ml320 and it is rated for 5000 lbs. I use it with the 210 and trailer but just to get from my house to launch and back once a year. You have to get into the 3 row of seat bigger mercedes gl450 to got to the 7500 lbs. I would look at jeep if/when we upgrade.

          But she bounces the thing off posts and junk, and i just take the rubbing compound out and put her back on the road. Or glue the side mirror housing back on when she hits the side of garage door. The 2 (low / high note) horns rotted off and are being replaced by me for $10 bucks each....
          Last edited by scottb7; 06-11-2013, 12:54 PM.

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          • perry386
            Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
            • Jun 2012
            • 560

            • gadsden AL

            • Super Air nautique 236

            #20
            Originally posted by jonsquatch View Post
            Nautique claims 3,900 dry for the 210 currently. That includes all there standard optional equipment, add the NSS (it hasn't changes since they added it and thats got to be at least 30-40 ish pounds...) and a Z5 and an anchor and lets just call it 4000, the trailer varies but its probably at least 1000 - 1200 pounds +50lbs for the spare that doesn't come with it. 37lbs of gasoline weighs 231.25lbs, I carry probably another 200-250lbs of gear on board plus a cooler with 20lbs of ice and 35lbs+ of refreshments. That's how I show up at the boat ramp, plus 500lbs of bomb sacks (ballast) So if I say probably just over 6000 lbs for me that sounds pretty accurate.

            For my setup my 2wd Silverado Extended cab with locking diff and tow package with optional gearing wasn't cutting it. My acceleration was tolerable and breaking was adequate. The suspension wasn't up to the task of all that weight and even locked it was a struggle to get traction on some of the ramps around here.

            Look at the ratings on your vehicle and equipment. What class of hitch can you get for your vehicle 3, 4, 5? I think the stock equipment and most of what you find for those smaller SUV's is class 3 rated at 5000lbs max. I believe the Acadia is rated at
            5200 but comes with a hitch rated at only 5000 and even if you can get a class 4 hitch you would still be over the vehicle rating.

            I ended up going with a 4wd Suburban 2500 (3/4 ton), even in 2wd on easier ramps (that I used to slip a little on) its no problem, really only need 4wd on the worst of the ramps then its no drama at all (bigger tires help). The bigger engine, and bigger brakes mean you really don't notice that your towing (other than the 8-9 mpg). I can fit 8 and fit all my gear and get there safely and stay way under the
            10,000lbs my hitch can handle and could go with a class 5 and get all of my 12,000 lb capacity. I do have a firestone airbag setup on my rear axle to level out the ride but its not really needed, I only use it because its there.

            Really I think the 2500 Suburban or the Yukon XL or the Excursion are the right way to go if you want an SUV and they cost about the same as the 3/4 ton trucks new, but don't hold their value used anywhere near as well as the trucks do so if you are going used they are easier on the wallet than a truck. If your lucky you can find one that someone convinced a soccer mom to drive because it "could" be used to tow something and the gas mileage is killing them so they want to get rid of it. The Nissan Armada can do 9k equipped properly and will get between 2-4mpg better in all likelihood. I have driven one and really liked it but inside its not as big and its nearly impossible to find a good used one as compared to the other 2 I mentioned, hardly anyone outfits them to tow and then lets them go. Whatever you get take a close look at what trailering equipment it comes with, more often than not it doesn't match up with the vehicle max rating. If you buy a new one and they are sticking you with a 5k class 3 hitch sometimes you can get it without one and save some cash towards the replacement you are going to need.
            You definitely do not need a 3/4 ton for a 210. Im currently trailering my 230 with a 1998 1/2 ton tahoe thats only rated for 6000. Hauled it 2 hours with no trouble. Granted, I don't advise this as I am an experienced truck-driver and know how to trailer things very well. But a 1/2 tahoe for a 210 will be plenty all day. Anything with 6000+ will pull a 210 with ease and a 230 with caution. I am currently waiting on my new 2014 Sierra to come in which is only a 1/2 ton truck rated for 9000ish lbs (equipped with 3:42 rear end) Which would be plenty even for a G25. You don't need 12000 pound capacity to trailer a 210.

            The Acadia Denali will do it if you are VERY careful and not going up any big hills. But I don't advise it. Like Tommy said, check out the new Grand Cherokee with the Hemi. That will be plenty of truck to get the job done and shouldn't run you too much more than the Acadia Denali. A big thing to make sure you DON'T do is just add a trailer hitch to the built in spot in your rear bumper. If you get an actual trailer rig that mounts to the chassis then you can use anything that is rated for ~6000+.

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            • BPSKI
              • Aug 2007
              • 68

              • Demotte Indiana


              #21
              Can you tow a 210 with an Acadia, yes. Would I recommend it, Absolutely not. A 210 will feel like a load when towing with an Acadia, and you will for sure know it is there. Tahoe/Yukon will be perfect. Anything mid-size crossover by any brand is not ideal for towing. They all say they can, but really they are just giant cars. I have an Acadia and would never want to tow a boat with it.

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              • Quinner
                1,000 Post Club Member
                • Apr 2004
                • 2245

                • Unknown

                • Correct Crafts

                #22
                In terms of tow ability the trailer is a big part of the equation, 1 or 2 axles, disc or drum brakes or brakes on second axle all make a big difference. A well built dual axle 4 disc brake trailer is going to tow and stop nice no matter what is in front of it.
                Did a road trip with my brothers Acadia towing our fully loaded 206, air on and car loaded with people and trailer loaded with gear, towed just fine IMO.
                Have done quite a bit of towing with Suburban/Yukon's, regular and XL's, great tow vehicles

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                • axeman
                  Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                  • Apr 2012
                  • 387

                  • Dallas, TX

                  • 2016 Super Air Nautique 230

                  #23
                  I second the Jeep grand Cherokee suggestions. Under the body panels its the same car as the Mercedes ML SUV. I tow my 230 with an ML 550 about 10 mile round trip to the lake every weekend without any problems. Everyone at the ramp is always asking me how my SUV does it. Mind you I have the 550 which is the V8 version (with larger brakes) of an otherwise soccer mom SUV. It also automatically switches to trailer mode when you plug in the trailer to the SUV and also turns on the trailer sway control option. Between the almost 400 lbs/ft of torque and the AWD I've never had an issue. I will say I've never taken it on long distances other than a 30 miles each way to the dealer but on the highway it tows pretty smooth and has plenty of power. As a side note, I do want to get a truck but its more in preparation for if I wanted to get a larger boat since the 230 is close to the towing limit of the ML.
                  2016 Super Air Nautique 230 (sold)
                  2014 Super Air Nautique 230 (sold)
                  2012 Super Air Nautique 230 (sold)
                  2008 Super Air Nautique 220 (sold)

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                  • ES
                    • Sep 2011
                    • 234

                    • Northern NC

                    • 2010 Super Air Nautique 210 Team Edition

                    #24
                    Thanks for all the input. Problem solved: ended up getting a Ford Expedition with heavy duty trailer package. We love the car, especially the ventilated front seats in Summer!

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                    • jmo
                      Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                      • Mar 2006
                      • 707

                      • MA


                      #25
                      Originally posted by Quinner View Post
                      Did a road trip with my brothers Acadia towing our fully loaded 206, air on and car loaded with people and trailer loaded with gear, towed just fine IMO.
                      Just keep in mind comparing the experience of towing a 206 to a 210 is not an apples to apples comparison. The total difference in rig weight ( boat & trailer) between my old super sport (same as a 210 just no ballast or tower) and my current 196 is over 1,000 lbs.

                      @ES - glad to hear you went with a bigger vehicle, with towing bigger is always better :-)
                      2018 Ski Nautique 200 TE, H6
                      - 2006 Ski Nautique 196 LE, Excalibur 330
                      - 2001 Super Sport Nautique, GT40

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                      • JDK
                        • Sep 2011
                        • 5

                        • Saskatchewan


                        #26
                        Originally posted by jonsquatch View Post
                        For my setup my 2wd Silverado Extended cab with locking diff and tow package with optional gearing wasn't cutting it. My acceleration was tolerable and breaking was adequate. The suspension wasn't up to the task of all that weight and even locked it was a struggle to get traction on some of the ramps around here.
                        Whatever makes you comfortable - but as others have stated, you don't need a 3/4 ton to safely pull a 210..... and a 2wd 3/4 ton will still have exactly the same traction issues as a 2wd half ton on a slippery ramp..
                        I you're not happy with the half ton's suspension -- I'd suggest you get your trailer set up checked.... starting with the tongue weight.

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                        • ES
                          • Sep 2011
                          • 234

                          • Northern NC

                          • 2010 Super Air Nautique 210 Team Edition

                          #27
                          Originally posted by jmo View Post
                          Just keep in mind comparing the experience of towing a 206 to a 210 is not an apples to apples comparison. The total difference in rig weight ( boat & trailer) between my old super sport (same as a 210 just no ballast or tower) and my current 196 is over 1,000 lbs.

                          @ES - glad to hear you went with a bigger vehicle, with towing bigger is always better :-)
                          Especially as I wait to upgrade to a G21 when available... ;-)

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                          • darthwhitey
                            • Jan 2013
                            • 33

                            • Midwest


                            #28
                            Great thread.

                            I've been thinking about getting the new Ford Explorer sport, but it's rated at 5000 lbs towing. Sounds like that's too small for my 2013 SANTE.

                            For the record, I have a Mercedes GL450 that pulls it with ease. I think that trucks rated for about 7500 lbs.

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                            • 81nautique
                              • Feb 2006
                              • 257

                              • Big Rock, Illinois

                              • 2012 200 Sport 1956 Correct Craft Collegian Past boats 1955 Correct Craft Hurricane 81 Anniversary Nautique 1960 GlassCraft Ski Nautique #1

                              #29
                              I can't really commented objectively on it yet because we just picked it up this week but we purchased a 2014 Grand Cherokee with the 3.0 Diesel. We tow a 200sport so approx 4500-5000 lbs. The GC has 7200 lb tow cap and the tow package comes with a class IV hitch, trans cooler and ride leveling so it's good to go. If this plays out the way I think it will we'll be getting up to 28mpg as a daily driver but I'm really itching to hook it up and see where it ends up while towing. The Diesel has 420 lb/ft of torque and hooked to an 8 speed trans it's an amazing vehicle for it's size.

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                              • Miljack
                                1,000 Post Club Member
                                • Dec 2004
                                • 1616

                                • Charlotte, NC

                                • '08 230 TE ZR6

                                #30
                                please do an update after you've got some miles on the JGC/Diesel, that is an interesting combo.
                                We towed our 230 with a '12 Durango R/T (7400# tow rating), towed the boat great, returned about 11 mph over a 200 mile tow. My 230 on a Boatmate tandem (18" "bling" wheels) weighed 6200# w/about 18 gals of fuel in it, no gear.
                                2008 230 TE-ZR6
                                1999 Pro Air Python-sold and moved away :-(

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