Best Wakesurf setup in a 230

[perry386]

Ok so today I got my new Phase 5 Model X wakesurf (got a killer deal on it that I couldn't pass up ) and am really pumped about it. I am just looking to see what you guys think is the best surf setup for a 230. The last time I was out I was just fooling around with the sacs and filled up the factory port tank, the belly tank, and a 400# sac in the port locker and went 12mph. The wave looked really big but I really don't know what I'm looking for. What have you guys found to be the best weight and speed setup behind a 230? And also, for those out there that have a Phase 5 wakesurf, If you are just beginning is having all three fins in my best bet?

[nyryan2001]

The golden standard:


Surf side tank full

Belly tank 2/3


750-1100 in the surf side trunk maxed out as full as it will go


Fuel tank 1/3 to 2/3


All passengers and everything heavy on the surf side, as far aft as possible.


10.8 -11.6 for starts.


NCRS at 5, then dial back as you see fit.


You need a real hard lean on your surf side, 2/3 of the weight towards rear corner.


If all that doesn't get it done, throw another 750 on top of your surf side seats. You'll have a raging wave garaunteed.

[swankster]

I'm not sure if you have the NSS but with out it I would put your 400 in the bow and buy two 750's one for the locker and one for the seat or floor. Fill everything full except for the opposite side tank that you are surfing on.

[perry386]

I'm not sure if you have the NSS but with out it I would put your 400 in the bow and buy two 750's one for the locker and one for the seat or floor. Fill everything full except for the opposite side tank that you are surfing on.

No I do not have NSS as my boat is a 2008 230. But that sure seems like a lot of bow weight! I guess the 230 likes some bow weight. I'm going out this weekend and will try just what I have right now but I can also borrow some extra 400s from my buddy. He has two 400s that I'm sure he would let me borrow. So basically what you're saying to do is just have all the weight on the surf side but evenly distributed Stern to Bow right?

[nyryan2001]

more of the weight towards the rear will have a taller wave but shorter in length....more weight in the bow will make the wave longer but wont be as tall

generally start with 2/3 weight in the rear and when you are happy and doing well ropeless, start moving some weight forward and it will draw the wave out longer.

[perry386]

Ok, sounds good. And also, since I am just beginning should I use all 3 fins in my board? Or should I take some out?

[dh0125]

i'd be interested in knowing what you learn. i also own a 2008 230. my current setup is factory plus 750lb sacs in the rear, the ~650lb "v" sac in the bow, & the ~650lb arrow sac in the locker. the attached pictures are from a trip to lake cumberland in KY. at the time i did not have the arrow sac, so the setup for these pictures was full factory, full surf side locker, 25% opposite locker and full bow sac. gates was around 2. we do not surf often (our typical riding spot is shallow) and are novice surfers. during the cumberland trip though everyone was able to surf without the rope. we are planning a trip to another deep water lake this weekend, so i plan to play around with the surf setup. let's trade notes through the weekend. i will post here. as for the board, we were just using a cheap hyperlite broadcast skim style board with one fin. for this trip i've borrowed a friend's LF nose rider, which has three fins and is more of a surf style board. looking at the island surfer mucus, but right now tough to justify the $$$. will consider if everyone loves the nose rider this weekend. learning as we go

[nyryan2001]

Yep use all 3 fins to start. sweet wave DH, thats somewhere just under 11mph correct?

The Hyperlite Brodcast is the slowest of probrably 25 wakesurfs Ive been on. if you are ropeless on the Broadcast... you are ready to move up!

[perry386]

i'd be interested in knowing what you learn. i also own a 2008 230. my current setup is factory plus 750lb sacs in the rear, the ~650lb "v" sac in the bow, & the ~650lb arrow sac in the locker. the attached pictures are from a trip to lake cumberland in KY. at the time i did not have the arrow sac, so the setup for these pictures was full factory, full surf side locker, 25% opposite locker and full bow sac. gates was around 2. we do not surf often (our typical riding spot is shallow) and are novice surfers. during the cumberland trip though everyone was able to surf without the rope. we are planning a trip to another deep water lake this weekend, so i plan to play around with the surf setup. let's trade notes through the weekend. i will post here. as for the board, we were just using a cheap hyperlite broadcast skim style board with one fin. for this trip i've borrowed a friend's LF nose rider, which has three fins and is more of a surf style board. looking at the island surfer mucus, but right now tough to justify the $$$. will consider if everyone loves the nose rider this weekend. learning as we go

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Man thats a nice wave! And yeah, I'll definitely let you know what we find out, I'm a bit nervous about the Model X board because I am a beginner. The reason the guy sold it was he said it was too fast for him.

[dh0125]

nyryan - if i recall correctly, i think it was around 10.8 +/-.

perry - the model x looks real nice! i looked at that one also, can't wait to hear your opinion.

question.....if you run slower, the wake is larger and more directional (towards the shoreline). if you speed up, the wake becomes smaller and moves "back" towards the shape of a wakeboard wake. how does speed affect the push? my assumption is the fast speed, the more push since the water is moving faster under the board.

[iamcdn]

i'd be interested in knowing what you learn. i also own a 2008 230. my current setup is factory plus 750lb sacs in the rear, the ~650lb "v" sac in the bow, & the ~650lb arrow sac in the locker. the attached pictures are from a trip to lake cumberland in KY. at the time i did not have the arrow sac, so the setup for these pictures was full factory, full surf side locker, 25% opposite locker and full bow sac. gates was around 2. we do not surf often (our typical riding spot is shallow) and are novice surfers. during the cumberland trip though everyone was able to surf without the rope. we are planning a trip to another deep water lake this weekend, so i plan to play around with the surf setup. let's trade notes through the weekend. i will post here. as for the board, we were just using a cheap hyperlite broadcast skim style board with one fin. for this trip i've borrowed a friend's LF nose rider, which has three fins and is more of a surf style board. looking at the island surfer mucus, but right now tough to justify the $$$. will consider if everyone loves the nose rider this weekend. learning as we go

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How come you decided to go with both the bow and arrow sac?

[dh0125]

iamcdn - when wakeboarding with the rear 750's mostly full, the boat would porpoise. am also trying to update zero off, but they were being unresponsive at the time, so we just added the arrow sac. bottom line, my boat does not like an unbalanced distribution of bow/transom weight. it can be 55/45, but 60/40 or greater causes the boat to porpoise. i should have the update soon (haven't wanted to give my boat up to the marina) and hopefully things change. i'd like to have a steep wake every now & then.

[nyryan2001]

I run faster... 11.6 - 12mph.

What I have found, is that for the bigger guys to have maneuverability, you gotta have some speed which = water pressure under the board. I am 200lbs.

If you go too slow with a bigger guy, his pocket to weave in and off the wave is much smaller because he bogs down very quickly and he'll loose the wave. that speed = water pressure under the board is key for larger guys. a 150lb guy will be able to do much more on a 10.6 wave than a 200lb guy. That 200lbs guy may require as fast as 11.4-11.6 to get the same maneuverability as the lighter guy at 10.6, also greatly dependent on the board he is riding. But all things equal, the heavier guy needs more water pressure under the board.

When I am running faster, 11.8-12, I am able to weave as far as 2-3ft off the wave and come back in before I loose momentum.... no way would that be possible under 11mph.

But what happens though is as you speed up 11.6+ your wave shrinks and looks smaller.... so its a trade off.

Reccomend a huge tall but short in length 10.8 type wave for guys just learning to go ropeless.

Once they have their stability, and they can brake, speed up, and pump the board to gain speed, it"ll be time to speed up some so they can do more, 11.4+..... also, as you speed up your pocket will lengthen and the added speed will allow folks to do more on the wave.

[iamcdn]

iamcdn - when wakeboarding with the rear 750's mostly full, the boat would porpoise. am also trying to update zero off, but they were being unresponsive at the time, so we just added the arrow sac. bottom line, my boat does not like an unbalanced distribution of bow/transom weight. it can be 55/45, but 60/40 or greater causes the boat to porpoise. i should have the update soon (haven't wanted to give my boat up to the marina) and hopefully things change. i'd like to have a steep wake every now & then.

Thanks. Do you fill both bow bags when surfing then? I'm trying to decide if just one of those bags will be enough for my 210 and which of those two would be better.

[dh0125]

@nyryan - thanks for the advice, much appreciated.

@ iamcdn - i didn't have the arrow bag last time we surfed (may 2012), so i should be able to tell you after this weekend. i'm looking for a long pocket with solid push, so using a combination of nyryan's recommendations on speed above and add'l weight in the middle / bow should do the trick. i'm excited to experiment.