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Let me see if I can get a response from them about this issue. I am not sure that this warrants a full interview.
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If they will entertain it I would love to see a Q&A like they used to do but not centered around the prop issue only. Maybe even two separate items. A statement on the prop and Q&AComment
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Yep. Total bummer today same happened to me at the beginning of the weekend
2018 G23 at about 80 hours
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Seems like the 2016s have the least amount of failures....is this accurate? Any boats with multiple failures?
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Sorry to hear that you have joined this club. Make sure your prop didn’t put a hole in the hull.Originally posted by Kingjeff View Post2019 SAN G23 | 2016 SAN G23 | 2013 Wakesetter 23 LSV | 2008 Wakesetter 23 LSV | 2003 Wakesetter 23 LSV | 2000 Wakesetter VLX | 1998 Sanger V210 | 1994 Magic Sceptor 28 | 1985 Cole TR2 | Too many PWC to count!Comment
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I am curious about that, as well. If the new shaft also fails, it is a much bigger issue.Originally posted by d_nodixon View Post2019 SAN G23 | 2016 SAN G23 | 2013 Wakesetter 23 LSV | 2008 Wakesetter 23 LSV | 2003 Wakesetter 23 LSV | 2000 Wakesetter VLX | 1998 Sanger V210 | 1994 Magic Sceptor 28 | 1985 Cole TR2 | Too many PWC to count!Comment
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I've heard of at least 1 boat that's had multiple failures which is to be expected when they replace a faulty shaft with the exact same one. I’d be curious to know exactly when the “new” shafts started to get shipped out as replacements and also when they started getting installed on new boats. Then you'd at least be able to tell if there was a reduced rate of failure. I’d also like to know what's really different with the new shafts. All they told me was that they were being bought from a new manufacturer with tighter tolerances. Seemed like a predetermined response. Not really the answer I was looking for, but that's all I was getting. Hopefully Jeff can get us some better answers.
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Correct me if I'm wrong....but to answer SoCals question above. ....haven't the "new" shafts been failing already on some 17s and ALL the 18s??? When did the new shaft start being put on as replacement. I think we've gone way past we've got a bigger issue......lolComment
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Everyone send a link to their dealer and explain this is happening. We request an official acknowledgement of the issue before we will purchase any other Nautique a. I want a g23 as a second boat, but with this going on. Heck no will I even think about it, that’s why I chose 210. Tried n true! But come on Nautique!Comment
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I think so, maybe that is why mine has not broken yet. But that is just a gut impression that 2016 seems less, but it is definitely not immune.Originally posted by d_nodixon View Post
There are boats in this 36 page thread that have had multiple failures, so replacement shafts break also. Suppose 5% of shafts break (just my best guess), which is 1/20. That would mean about 1/400 owners will have a shaft break twice, assuming that the owner or dealer is not doing something that causes the shaft to break more often.
The new supplier mantra has been worn out since 2013. There is no reason whatsoever to believe this is the case, or was the root of the problem.
I still think the key with the stem on it may play a role in weakening the shaft, but nobody commented last time I suggested it might be an issue. It seems to break right where the extra hole is.
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This is what the rep said to me. I don't necessarily believe it either as I believe we've all heard a similar response, but here it is. If it is true, it might validate the claim that 2016's had less failures while they were only getting shafts manufactured to the correct specs.
He said that after the shafts started breaking in 2013, they went back to the supplier and found out that their manufacturing tolerances were off on the keyway. After they discovered that, he said that Nautique started checking them as they were being brought in and rejecting the ones that were out of spec. He said that they got to the point that all shafts were being made to specs and as a result Nautique started to get complacent and relaxed their quality control checks and the shafts slowly returned to the poor quality standards that they previously were. This is when they switched to the new shafts from a new supplier. They supposedly have 1000's of hours of testing and installs on customers and pro rider's boats have not had a single shaft failure.
He went on to say that other people have suggested a larger diameter shaft and that he believed that would also fix the issue, but would require a lot more work switching out V drives or at least components in the v drive to accept the larger shaft. There's no way they're going to be doing that because not only would they have to fix the affected boats, they'd have to do all of them. Nobody would want their G to have the potential for a broken shaft if they knew there was another solution out there.
He did not say exactly when these new shafts started shipping out, but indicated that it just recently started and that I was definitely getting the "new" one. I wish I would have gotten a clearer answer when this supposed supplier change happened.
That's exactly what the rep told me when I contacted Nautique about a month ago. Again, I don't buy it and think it is time for them to come out with an official statement telling people what the problem is, what they're going to do to fix it, and tell the owners that they will stand behind it. It's as simple as that. I don't believe anybody is asking for too much here.Last edited by cptotr; 09-30-2018, 10:22 AM.Comment
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You could very well be correct. Given the frequency of the breaks it seems that the engineering safety factor built into the design of the size of the shaft is too close. If the pin in the shaft is enough to cause a failure then the shaft is too small in diameter. Too tight a margin, an out of alignment shaft or strut an imperfectly balance prop etc. None of these have to be obvious to the operator but maybe just a subtle alignment problem is enough to snap the shaft.Originally posted by Tallredrider View Post
I think so, maybe that is why mine has not broken yet. But that is just a gut impression that 2016 seems less, but it is definitely not immune.
There are boats in this 36 page thread that have had multiple failures, so replacement shafts break also. Suppose 5% of shafts break (just my best guess), which is 1/20. That would mean about 1/400 owners will have a shaft break twice, assuming that the owner or dealer is not doing something that causes the shaft to break more often.
The new supplier mantra has been worn out since 2013. There is no reason whatsoever to believe this is the case, or was the root of the problem.
I still think the key with the stem on it may play a role in weakening the shaft, but nobody commented last time I suggested it might be an issue. It seems to break right where the extra hole is.
Nautique's solution should be to share information with owners and assure them that the root cause will be found and they will be made whole regardless of the year of the boat or whether they are the first or fifth owner.
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What about going with a splined shaft like MC uses? This would eliminate the key/keyway. MC switched to splined shafts in 2006 or 2007Originally posted by Tallredrider View Post
I think so, maybe that is why mine has not broken yet. But that is just a gut impression that 2016 seems less, but it is definitely not immune.
There are boats in this 36 page thread that have had multiple failures, so replacement shafts break also. Suppose 5% of shafts break (just my best guess), which is 1/20. That would mean about 1/400 owners will have a shaft break twice, assuming that the owner or dealer is not doing something that causes the shaft to break more often.
The new supplier mantra has been worn out since 2013. There is no reason whatsoever to believe this is the case, or was the root of the problem.
I still think the key with the stem on it may play a role in weakening the shaft, but nobody commented last time I suggested it might be an issue. It seems to break right where the extra hole is.
Unfortunately all the old keyway props couldn't be kept as spares.2007 Malibu Wakesetter 23 LSV, 1995 Cobalt 200Comment
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Glad I found this thread. I haven't had this problem yet, but I'm buying a trolling motor. Picked up a new 2017 G21 last September and have 250+ hours on it. The idler tensioner broke last year. Nothing more demeaning than being towed back to dock by a 20 year old 16' fishing boat. Some other guy drove past us while we were being towed, stopped, turned around, and took a photograph of the whole affair.
By the way, what size trolling motor is that? Is it really big enough to push a G-series boat?Last edited by gadgetwiz; 10-02-2018, 10:50 AM.2017 G21 Super Air Nautique
2008 Sanger V21
2004 Calibria Pro V
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Come on gadgetwiz....this is too easy...you set em' up...i'll knock em' down....LOL - - The reason the boat turned around and took a picture of you was......They posted it on here....LOL "Another G21 loses it's prop" Ha ha ha.....OK....I kid...I kid....but you KNOW they were thinking that. Oh...by the way....I'm at 170 hours on my G21 with no failure. Knock on Nibral......LOVE LOVE my G21Comment
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