QUICK Ballast help needed for my 2000 SAN!

[brycejay]

I'm re doing my ballast system in my 2000 SAN. Ripping out the rear tanks and going with reversible pumps. Seat bottom sac in center locker. Now, here is what I have been debating...

I already have a pair of 400 lb fly high v-drive sacs but I know everyone says to put in 750's. I would have to buy 2 750's which adds $300 to my system. My question... Will it be worth the extra $300 to put 750's back there? I wakeboard 90% of the time...

I'm placing my order with wakemakers hopefully today so let me know what ya'll think! Thanks

[s_kelley2000]

I have 750s in mine and the only time I fill them all the way up is when I'm surfing. I probably have somewhere between 400-500 in them when wakeboarding. So if your primary focus is wakeboarding you should be ok with 400s. You can easily upgrade to 750s down the road if you want, especially if you use quick connects. In order to wakeboard with the 750s full you would need the integrated bow sac and probably another sac on top of the bow seats to balance it out, not to mention a good power prop. I personally think the wake is perfect with the rear seat sac in the locker, the integrated bow sac and 400ish in the v drive lockers.

[crobi2]

All the above is correct. But remember, he has a python back there which has got to be at least a hundred pounds heavier than a GT40 right?

However, you have not experienced what the legacy hull 210 can do until you start getting over 2000#, in my opinion. 750's in the back with a locker sac and an integrated bow sac followed by an acme 1578 will get you there.

If you just use the 400's for now (which is very reasonable), don't fill up the locker sac all the way.

[brycejay]

Yeah I just installed the 1578 prop. I think I will probably just stick to the 400's in the back. I would rather not have to run all that bow weight anyway. I will probably just throw another old 500 lb sac up up front and I should be golden. If I end up needing a little more hang time to complete my 1080 I will throw some 750s back there. Wink

[s_kelley2000]

Good points Rob. I have heard that the Python weighs about 200 lbs more than the the small blocks so that could be why I feel I like I need more bow weight than just the integrated sac when I have had the 750s full.

[brycejay]

crobi2, just saw your post. What if I did this... 750s in the rear, seat bottom in locker, and one of my 400 lb v-drive sacs up front maybe with a bit of lead? Would that be enough weight up front? If not then I will just stick to 400s in the rear I think.

I really don't want to have to plumb another integrated sac under my bow (not to mention that bow integrated sac is dang expensive for the amount of weight I will actually get).

[crobi2]

Good points Rob. I have heard that the Python weighs about 200 lbs more than the the small blocks so that could be why I feel I like I need more bow weight than just the integrated sac when I have had the 750s full.

You know, I remember you mentioning that in another post, and didn't really think it through. But I bet you're right.

On ours with the 750's full, about 590 in the locker and the integrated bow sac as full as it will get things really bulk up and clean up nice at around 21.5 mph. If I had 200 more pounds of engine, I would probably need something more up front too.

[crobi2]

crobi2, just saw your post. What if I did this... 750s in the rear, seat bottom in locker, and one of my 400 lb v-drive sacs up front maybe with a bit of lead? Would that be enough weight up front? If not then I will just stick to 400s in the rear I think.

I really don't want to have to plumb another integrated sac under my bow (not to mention that bow integrated sac is dang expensive for the amount of weight I will actually get).

That would probably be perfect. Because of the size of the bow compartment, the integrated sac cannot fill up anyway. probably only gets to about 400 lbs, which is the size of your sac. You many not even need the lead.

How much does the center bag hold?

[brycejay]

I think the seat bottom sac is 680 pound capacity. I guessed it's supposed to fit pretty good in the ski locker. So figure around 600 lbs I guess

[crobi2]

I think you'll be perfect then.

I use two jabscos to fill the 750's, but I have a Rule 2000 aerator pump plumbed into the old SAN 3/4 ballast scoop, to fill the locker sac and integrated bow sac. Since the ski locker is right next to the driver, I just lift the lid, open the valve to the locker sac till it's full, then close that valve and open the one the the bow sac, until it's full. That Rule 2000 gph pump makes quick work of it. Because the integrated sac has two legs, I use two aerator pumps to empty it anyway, and a single aerator on the locker sac to empty it.

So I have kind of a hybrid impeller/aerator system.

[brycejay]

Interesting. Do you have an overflow/vent line for your center and front sac? I assume that is something I will have to add for my system?

[crobi2]

Interesting. Do you have an overflow/vent line for your center and front sac? I assume that is something I will have to add for my system?

Yes, I drilled a bunch of extra vents/drains in the boat on the side in front of the driver like on the 2003 models. I only use the jabscos to fill, I use all aerators for drain. I use those atwood 800's that you get from wakemakers for $25. I also have each sac vented, so I did a lot of new thru hulls for vents and drains.

I don't necessarily recommend it. I just like to be able to turn the pumps on to fill and forget about them without having to worry about a sac splitting. I also like to be able to turn the drain pumps on and forget about them without having to worry about a pump running dry because the aerators don't care if you run them dry.

It all works very well, and I was able to get stainless mushroom through hulls so I think that the new vents/drains look ok - but they do change the appearance from the original boat.


For your center bag, you can use the launch system vent through hull that is right beside/behind the driver for a vent. If you need another, you can sacrifice the glove box thru hull and use it.

[crobi2]

You can run your supply hose for the center sac alongside the gas tank. If you are going to reverse the jabsco for drain, that takes care of that.

For the vent, you can run a hose from the locker sac up along with the steering cable to the area behind the drivers side kick panel and go to either that Nautique LCS vent on the starboard behind the driver, or take it under the bow seats over to the glove box drain through hull.

[brycejay]

Awesome thanks