2004 SAN team ballast upgrade for best wake

[Charlesbrett]

I have an 04 model SAN TEAM.

I have removed my rear hard tanks and run my ballast set up as a 750lbs bag in each locker, the standard center tank of 300lbs, An external bow bag 1000lbs + 140lbs of led in the nose.

I ride at 23mph at 70ft rope length and find that the wake still crumbles and could be bigger. But is still really peaky.

Where in the boat (without losing seating) do you recommend I add more weight for a more consistent wake. Is removing the standard center tank for a bag worth it?? Keeping in mind I would rather not drive any faster as that will also effect the wake size.

[Charlesbrett]

Sorry, rookie error. It's a 210

[Brichter14]

Flyhigh backseat/locker bag is 680 lbs.


That would be where i start.

[seth]

Thats weird, you should be able to go even slower than that at 70' and get a good wake. That sounds like a pretty good weight ratio. What does your boat look like when just sitting in the water? Nose heavy? Rear end heavy? That 300lb center tank is a waste, you can get way more weight in the ski locker. We have ridden that same setup in my buddies 06 SAN and the wake is really good.

[jbach]

something's wrong here. are you saying you run 1,140 pounds in the bow/nose and it hasn't sunk? i run like maybe 200 in the bow, 650 in the locker, and 750's about 3/4 full and 20.5 mph.

[gride]

assuming it's just me and a driver i run it like this: 750 in each rear locker, 750 bow sac, OEM belly tank, 150 in lead under the port bow side seat, and 400+ on the floor in the cockpit area. we typically ride 75-80' at around 24+ mph.

[crobi2]

I have an 04 model SAN TEAM.

I have removed my rear hard tanks and run my ballast set up as a 750lbs bag in each locker, the standard center tank of 300lbs, An external bow bag 1000lbs + 140lbs of led in the nose.

I ride at 23mph at 70ft rope length and find that the wake still crumbles and could be bigger. But is still really peaky.

Where in the boat (without losing seating) do you recommend I add more weight for a more consistent wake. Is removing the standard center tank for a bag worth it?? Keeping in mind I would rather not drive any faster as that will also effect the wake size.

Something sounds wrong. With that weight distribution, it should start cleaning up for sure by 22 mph. Are you sure your speedo is correct? Pulling out that center tank and replacing with at least a 600# sac (as mentioned above) may help.

[Charlesbrett]

I don't have a locker like the first photo posted to add that fly high sac.
Thats the strange thing, my boat sits very level in the water, the boarding platform would be close to be being under water and the nose doesn't sit that low.

Plus an average crew of 4 ppl in the boat.

Id like to ride at 80ft but I'd have to go at least 26 mph. My perfect pass equals to exactly what my speedo says.

All the weight I mentioned in the first post is right.

[jbach]

our boats like rear weight. id start with removing everything but the lead in the bow. fill the rears 3/4 full and ski locker full and see what happens. these hulls throw a great wake with even just stock ballast.

with that setup, my swim platform is 2-3 inches under water. verify your speed with gps, 20 mph should give you a clean wake.

[FunkyBunch]

Something is certainly wrong. I ride the same boat with a friend all the time and the wake is money. I am nearly certain he is not even running the 750's but 500's in the rear. Those are 2 400's one in the bow and one in the walkway. There is some lead around the rest of the boat. The extra 400 in the walkway is what gives this boat the extra ramp compared to the more steep wakes this boat normally has. Picture riding is at 23.6 at 75ft.

[FunkyBunch]

Correct setup for above.
150 lbs lead under rear 750's "I am not sure these are 750's but Brent swears they are"
300 center ski locker
300 in the walk through
400 in the bow
250 lead under bow seats.
If you remove the 300 in the walkway the boat cleans up at the same speed but has a much more vertical face to the wake.

If I had my guess your running to much weight in the nose of that boat or your speed is off a good deal.

[Charlesbrett]

Thanks a lot for all the input.

I have put 100lbs of lead in the starboard side rear locker as that is the wake I have most most my problem with. The wake curls and crumbles at the weight I have in it. I think if I remove any from the front it will only make that worse?

Ill double check my speedo and try get some photos next time I go out.

[gride]

go faster. period. get a gps app on your phone to check your perfect pass or whatever. you really don't need anything but the wake to tell you. plane off and accelerate until the wake is clean on both sides. then let the rider tell you faster or slower(just ignore them if going slower will wash out the wake)
-there is nothing wrong with your weight setup. i've run it many times. i just found that i prefer 850-1000lbs in the bow. no more.

[FunkyBunch]

-there is nothing wrong with your weight setup. i've run it many times. i just found that i prefer 850-1000lbs in the bow. no more.

I think there is a bit something wrong with the weight and you even said as much in the next statement.

He is running 1140 in the bow so that is over your 850-1000. If the bow bag he is referring to is the bow triangle those will fill tight to more like 1100 or more as they expand a lot. Most likely he has a speed issue as well but IMO that is just to heavy up front without more rear weight.

The advice on running until the wake cleans up is great my boat is extremely temperamental and that is pretty much the only way to set it up.

[Charlesbrett]

Okay thanks heaps for all the advice,
I ran it on the weekend with 6 people in the boat the bow bag full but belly standard ballast tank empty, rear bags full, ran the extra lead 100lbs in the starboard side rear locker rode 75ft at 24mph and the wake was insane. Best iv ever had it. Really clean. So I think iv learnt from this that they do prefer to have more weight in the rear for a cleaner wake rather than having the boat sitting dead level.

My speedo was on the money, so that's all good too.
Thanks guys!