Is NSS better than my current set up??

[tmb]

I love to surf and currently have my 2012 210 dialed in pretty good. I fill port full, 1100lb fat sac on top of hard tank full, belly full, and bow sac full. I put a 440lb fat sac on seat if we only have 1 or 2 people in boat. My question is if NSS will improve the wake over my current set up? Will it make it longer? Steeper? etc.. or does it just eliminate the need to list the boat so heavily to one side?

My boat is at the dealer right now (less than 40 hours and I think the tranny went out) and may add NSS if it is definitely worth it.

[josemolino]

You will not need to load so much to get the same wake.... or in another way, you will get a bigger wake with the current load
You can load evenly, and change from side to side.
You can better tune the peak. Yes, I think it can be steeper or mellower (it´s up to you)
I think that to make it longer you will need to move some weight forward (because this is something mainly done by the NCRS)

[F725]

I have the same boat (2013) with NSS. I've run similar weight except I removed the rear hard tank and plumbed the 1100 in. The NSS allows you to add weight to the non surf side, sinking the boat further (and more level) and making an insane wave. The NSS also changes the shape really well. Steep to mellow. Worth it in my opinion but...

[scottb7]

I would have to actually ride behind a nss boat to be convinced it can make the wave any better. I get that it would be great to not have the boat listed to one side. That would make it super easy for going back and forth with goofy and regular surfers. But I would have to ride it to believe it as far as it being any better.

[shag]

I think the difference is the ease of change and setting up. I had a 2009 230, and with a little effort, and lead - that boat makes a great surf wave. I am 6'1 about 240# and I could surf without the handle all over the lake..... The wave was long and had a good sweet spot.... It was a little of a hassle moving weight around for the other side, but it was just about as good.... Just my .02

[F725]

As far as being better with NSS... Since I have NSS with the weights mentioned above, the NSS wave is better. I've experimented multiple times and combinations.

[hotrod508]

Going from wake to surf is a super time saver! And the switch up between sides ! You can make the wave do what you want pretty easy. My 230 can run more weight with the surf tabs than without,..so yes it's bigger.

[lucky7t]

I'm not convinced it's better but it's a lot more convenient and you can tune your wave with the push of a button.

[jonsquatch]

I have a 2012 210 and I added the NSS and with it you can get a 300lb+ dude ropeless and carving turns with ~700lbs on the starboard side and ~1000lbs on the port side belly full +200lbs in the nose. My boat seems to need at least 200lbs of cheat to port if you want to have even waves. Running the Starboard empty and the NSS off results in a smaller wave with a smaller pocket but it is more consistent. The only downside of the NSS (besides the 3k+ hole in your pocket and the shiny metal slabs on the back of your 2012) is that anything that messes with the consistency of the water flow on the non surf side screws with your wave. While the NSS does let you decrease the required skill of the driver when you take your surf set as a nearly evenly weighted boat turns predictably and is less likely to take on water, they still need to be able to hold a steady line and read the rollers and wind or you will get pissed off every time you lose the wave because of a momentarily fluctuation.

The NSS is more adjustable as I can dial it in to where it is not intimidating for a 90lb newb and then jump back there myself by just changing from ramp to vert and making a minor NSS and speed change. At my age and size taking a second wakeboard set is dicey, as is wakeboarding multiple days in a row. If I can switch out the boat fast enough I can squeeze in a surf set and surf long past when everyone on the boat is board stiff if I wanted to. I use bomb sacks for the extra 300lbs in the back that lives under the reversible seat. For wakeboarding I have it slightly offset to port, to switch to surfing I take the 3 bags (150lbs) furthest to starboard and I pick them up and toss them on the port seat. Takes just about as long as pushing the buttons and switching board and ropes. If I had to drain the starboard 750 and get out another fat sack and pump and fill it and drag it around I probably wouldn't surf often as I am also the only one who surfs regular in our group.

It sounds like you pretty much maxed out how much ballast you can run and should have it dialed in currently and if the convenience isn't a factor the only thing that might make it worth the cash to add it is the fact that it would let you also use weight on the starboard side which could let you get more weight in, although I am not sure I would want to run mine with like 1000+ lbs more than the 2350ish lbs I have available.

[hotrod508]

I have a 2012 210 and I added the NSS and with it you can get a 300lb+ dude ropeless and carving turns with ~700lbs on the starboard side and ~1000lbs on the port side belly full +200lbs in the nose. My boat seems to need at least 200lbs of cheat to port if you want to have even waves. Running the Starboard empty and the NSS off results in a smaller wave with a smaller pocket but it is more consistent. The only downside of the NSS (besides the 3k+ hole in your pocket and the shiny metal slabs on the back of your 2012) is that anything that messes with the consistency of the water flow on the non surf side screws with your wave. While the NSS does let you decrease the required skill of the driver when you take your surf set as a nearly evenly weighted boat turns predictably and is less likely to take on water, they still need to be able to hold a steady line and read the rollers and wind or you will get pissed off every time you lose the wave because of a momentarily fluctuation.

The NSS is more adjustable as I can dial it in to where it is not intimidating for a 90lb newb and then jump back there myself by just changing from ramp to vert and making a minor NSS and speed change. At my age and size taking a second wakeboard set is dicey, as is wakeboarding multiple days in a row. If I can switch out the boat fast enough I can squeeze in a surf set and surf long past when everyone on the boat is board stiff if I wanted to. I use bomb sacks for the extra 300lbs in the back that lives under the reversible seat. For wakeboarding I have it slightly offset to port, to switch to surfing I take the 3 bags (150lbs) furthest to starboard and I pick them up and toss them on the port seat. Takes just about as long as pushing the buttons and switching board and ropes. If I had to drain the starboard 750 and get out another fat sack and pump and fill it and drag it around I probably wouldn't surf often as I am also the only one who surfs regular in our group.

It sounds like you pretty much maxed out how much ballast you can run and should have it dialed in currently and if the convenience isn't a factor the only thing that might make it worth the cash to add it is the fact that it would let you also use weight on the starboard side which could let you get more weight in, although I am not sure I would want to run mine with like 1000+ lbs more than the 2350ish lbs I have available.

Same results as above but also:

I noticed immediately that I could overload my 07 230 and it would still get on plane, were before it was too much! I run 4000k ballast now and the tab hanging down gives the hull lift on the opposite side, causing the boat to slip sideways and get on plane at the same time. Yeah it's definitely better!

[tmb]

I have a 2012 210 and I added the NSS and with it you can get a 300lb+ dude ropeless and carving turns with ~700lbs on the starboard side and ~1000lbs on the port side belly full +200lbs in the nose. My boat seems to need at least 200lbs of cheat to port if you want to have even waves. Running the Starboard empty and the NSS off results in a smaller wave with a smaller pocket but it is more consistent. The only downside of the NSS (besides the 3k+ hole in your pocket and the shiny metal slabs on the back of your 2012) is that anything that messes with the consistency of the water flow on the non surf side screws with your wave. While the NSS does let you decrease the required skill of the driver when you take your surf set as a nearly evenly weighted boat turns predictably and is less likely to take on water, they still need to be able to hold a steady line and read the rollers and wind or you will get pissed off every time you lose the wave because of a momentarily fluctuation.

The NSS is more adjustable as I can dial it in to where it is not intimidating for a 90lb newb and then jump back there myself by just changing from ramp to vert and making a minor NSS and speed change. At my age and size taking a second wakeboard set is dicey, as is wakeboarding multiple days in a row. If I can switch out the boat fast enough I can squeeze in a surf set and surf long past when everyone on the boat is board stiff if I wanted to. I use bomb sacks for the extra 300lbs in the back that lives under the reversible seat. For wakeboarding I have it slightly offset to port, to switch to surfing I take the 3 bags (150lbs) furthest to starboard and I pick them up and toss them on the port seat. Takes just about as long as pushing the buttons and switching board and ropes. If I had to drain the starboard 750 and get out another fat sack and pump and fill it and drag it around I probably wouldn't surf often as I am also the only one who surfs regular in our group.

It sounds like you pretty much maxed out how much ballast you can run and should have it dialed in currently and if the convenience isn't a factor the only thing that might make it worth the cash to add it is the fact that it would let you also use weight on the starboard side which could let you get more weight in, although I am not sure I would want to run mine with like 1000+ lbs more than the 2350ish lbs I have available.

It's pretty rough when we surf. Are you saying that the rollers from other boats will mess up an NSS wake more than it messes up a boat that is just sac'd out (like I currently do)?

[jonsquatch]

That has been my experience, wind swept waves and consistent rollers make it the worst if they are crossing you. If you can run directly into or out of it then the difference is minimized. My Z5 is basically a big sail as well so when its windy minor gusts can really affect how much bite the NSS plates have and that changes where the wakes converge. I think that you see that same affect without the NSS but it is amplified a bit with it. If you use all weight and run heavier it seems that just the weight helps with the stability. Its been a great addition to my boat even though it covered a portion of the Byerly signature and it leaked when first installed I would do it again and wouldn't hesitate to suggest it if you surf enough to make it worthwhile.

[hotrod508]

You need weight plus nss then.... it's a no brainer! Don't be fooled, Nss always wins, cost aside, there is not a downside.

[jonsquatch]

You need weight plus nss then.... it's a no brainer! Don't be fooled, Nss always wins, cost aside, there is not a downside.

Exactly! If you rely on the NSS with the stock ballast, at least on a 2012-13 210, and run it evenly weighted it will be ok, but if you weight it almost as heavy as you would have without the NSS and add nearly as much ballast on the off surf side then it will be great. The 2014+ boats look to be better and the extra factory ballast gets it right into good territory, and the G boats start out awesome. We had a first time surfer out this weekend and being able to get him up in the pocket with the NSS off and then activate it made it much less intimidating and it is also less stressful when you don't have it leaned to the rub rail. I might also add that after thinking about it I now surf in far worse conditions than I would with a heavily leaned boat as there is far less concern about getting swamped.

[uncalumx2]

Exactly! If you rely on the NSS with the stock ballast, at least on a 2012-13 210, and run it evenly weighted it will be ok, but if you weight it almost as heavy as you would have without the NSS and add nearly as much ballast on the off surf side then it will be great. The 2014+ boats look to be better and the extra factory ballast gets it right into good territory, and the G boats start out awesome. We had a first time surfer out this weekend and being able to get him up in the pocket with the NSS off and then activate it made it much less intimidating and it is also less stressful when you don't have it leaned to the rub rail. I might also add that after thinking about it I now surf in far worse conditions than I would with a heavily leaned boat as there is far less concern about getting swamped.

+1 on being more comfortable about not getting swamped.

Huge pocket to surf on a properly weighted nss boat.