2012 210 NSS - need help with surf wave

[OKWAKEBDR]

I'm having a really hard time getting this dialed in. It just won't clean up. (Some of it is from the prop wash I think.)

Here's what I've got...
- 10.0 mph
- Acme 1617 prop
- NSS on 0
- Hydrogate on vert (pulled all the way back/up)
- Full stock ballast + 750s on top of the hard tanks in the back (I typically fill the port side a little heavier). I also have the fly-hi u shaped integrated bow sack, but I don't normally use it for surfing because I'm under the impression that is too much bow weight.

I DO NOT want to add extra ballast to what I already have - 2500lbs +/- should be plenty. I do have 400 lbs of lead pop bags also that I can use.

I've seen the picture of the surf waves some of you guys are getting, so I know it can be really good. What am I doing wrong? Is it possible something was not lined up correctly with the install (it was installed after-the-fact by the dealer)?

Thanks in advance. I know there are some very knowledgeable surf gurus out there. I don't surf much (wakeboard 85% surf 15%), but I want to get it right.

[nauty220]

What is the water depth? You can have all the right settings but without at least 8-10 ft it's useless

Second, if depth is 10+ feet I would ask what happens at speeds of 11-12 mph?


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[tmb]

I don't have NSS but I will tell you how I surf my 2012 210 and get a great wake.

10.6 mpg
hydrogate pushed all the way forward - pulled back washes my wake out
port full
750lb fat sac on top of port tank full
belly full
integrated bow sac full

[HS]

can't comment on NSS configured 210s, but do have a look with a bit more speed, especially if you're running both sides full. Full stock ballast means you do have the belly full as well I take it? Too much weight aft without some offset forward can make it washy.

Again, I am not experienced with NSS, BUT:You might also try doing your set up in a couple steps to see how it looks - first with just stock (without the sacs) and see if it's washy then at 10.0 and then while under way adjust the Zero Off to 10.3 and then 10.5 and see what happens.

[nyryan2001]

1. I can tell you for certain, anything less than 12ft on a G23, wave will start to change.... anything 10.5ft and under it will go flat. Preferred is 15ft+ areas so you dont ever have to worry about depth.

2. NSS favors a slight 60/40 to 70/30 cheat to the surf side. Requires less weight this way for better wave quality... and more adjustability with the Surf Vert settings and NCRS.

3. You need to speed up.... 11-12mph. start at 11 and go up from there.


Post up some pics of your wave.

[F725]

Bow weight is critical.

Here is my set up for best port wave (not good for wave to wave transfers obviously)
Port locker. 1100 lbs
Starboard locker. 550-600 lbs
Belly full w/ piggyback 650 in bow.
Speed 10.4
NSS 3 or 4
NCRS (hydrogate) 0-2 depending on rider and look of wave

If wave is washed, try dumping from starboard side till it starts to clean up.

Make sure water depth is more than 15ft.
Make sure NSS is actually working... extending out on nonsurf side.

Too much bow weight will reduce push. The 210 will push a nice clean wall of water. Just gotta understand what's causing what.

I'd say more bow weight to start with.

[cedarcreek216]

You need to full the bow sac and speed up to at least 10.8-11.0. We have the same set up minus bow sac, we use human ballast in the bow. The boat does like a little list so try not filling the non surf side sac about %50 or less and all the bow weight you have full.

[jonsquatch]

I pulled my hard tanks in the rear and run my 2012 210 with both 750's full and the factory belly tank full plus 3-400lbs of bomb sacks in the nose (less if we have a person/people up there. and 1-200 lbs of bomb sacks on the rear seat on the port side plus all the people offset to the port side. A little extra bow weight seems to lengthen the wave out. I surf a bit on the slow side for my port wave but with rider weight (heavy) and board (slow) its best for me with the hydrogate pulled back to vert and the NSS at 2 at 10.2.

If you have a driver who is patient and willing to experiment I would try filling the bow sac halfway and give a 10% cheat to the surf side and have the driver step up the speed in small increments and run through the NSS settings and vary the hydrogate from vert to ramp while you are out there with the rope. Shouldnt take long to figure out what you need. I know the goofy side on my boat takes less weight cheated to that side and can take a little less on the NSS for a good wave.

[Shockthis]

I have the same set up. If you fill the 750's to full the wake washes out. You need to empty the 750's a bit and fill your bow sac. I run with about 600 port and 450 starboard at 10 mph nss 0 hydrogate forward. I noticed if the top of the nss drop below the water line then it washes out. If you do fill your 750's full then only put 550lbs on starboard, with this weight you will have to run 11mph or get more weight in the nose. This will give you a good wake both sides for transfers plus a great wakeboard wake.

[OKWAKEBDR]

Thanks everyone. I'll use these comments and see if I can get it figured out next time out.

@Shockthis, when you say you fill 600 port and 450 starboard, are you talking total weight, or in addition to the hard tanks?

[Shockthis]

^^ on top of factory tanks. That is just with my wife and daughter in the boat