2000 ?

[lucey]

Can someone tell me what the difference between the 2000 Air and the 2000 Pro Air ? Is it just the tower ? I saw an ad for a 2000 Air Nautique but it had a tower and ballast and such. Here is the link:

http://www.canadatrader.com/result/d...spx?ID=6695908

Is it maybe a Pro Air ? Any problems or things to know about the 2000 Pro Air ? Also what are the major differences in wakeboarding between the Pro Air and the Super Air ? Thanks

[AbunDiga909]

RE: 2000 ?

The Pro Air and Air are two different boats w/ two totally different hulls. The Air Nautique as a boat would be comporable to the Air 216 today. However, today's 216 has a totally different hull than it did in 2000. The 216 has the TSC2 hull, which is the same hull as the one on the 196 except 2 ft. longer. But, the Air Nautique's hull would be the DD verson of the hull on the 210 today if I'm correct, but not so sure on that one. I don't think the 210 hull has changed that much since '00, but not so sure again....

The Pro Air Nautique was the same boat as the Air Nautique, but w/ a totally different and unique hull. It had the TWC hull that only lasted for a few years. It's "famous" for giving the DD the ability to produce V-Drive wakes at low speeds. It's also cool b/c its supposed to give a much cleaner wake at really slow speeds, where the V-Drive's wake at those speeds would be all sloppy.

Also something to keep in mind, the Air was the same boat as the Sport Nautique, and has the same hulls, its just the name is different. So if your fam. does a lot of things besides boarding, like footing, slaloming, etc... you'd prob. be better off w/ the Air. I think the Pro Air is only good for boarding and the TWC hull messes up the wake for anything else... just something to keep in mind when buying.. the 2000 Air is a great boat.

[lucey]

Super ?

Okay, what about the 2000 super ? Which hull does it have and how does it compare to the Pro and Air ? I was looking at the Air above (link) and i also have the opportunity to have a 2000 Super (almost loaded without PerfectPass) What do you think ? They look the same but the Super has only 250 hours. Ideas ?

[AbunDiga909]

RE: Super ?

The Super is the V-Drive version. Anything "Super" in 2000 and around then meant it was a V-Drive. The Super Air Nautique will throw an awesome wake for boarding. They discontinued the Pro Air b/c it couldn't compete w/ the V-Drives and in the end, the V-Drives produced a better wake for pro boarding. The advantage of the Pro Air was that it had the pro wake, but at beginner speeds. Beginner 8 year olds dont need pro sized and shaped wakes, nevermind the fact that its prob too big for them. The Super Air also has a hull very similar to today's 210 like I said, which is top-of-the-line...

With a Super you also get the norm. advantages of a V-Drive, such as arena seating, large sundeck, etc... but that's all personal prefrence whether you want that or not. I'm a DD guy, but there are a lot of things a VD has to offer that you can't ignore...

If I were you, first thing I'd do is decide whether I want a DD or VD. That can be determined by how many people you take in the boat normally, how long your lake trips are, what sports you do and how often, which are your most popular sports, which sports are you most devoted to and the ones you take most seriously, how important comfort is to you (VD takes rough water better), and the cool factor--which one just looks nicer.... Those are just some of the basic q's that help people decided if they need a VD or DD...

Also one final thing to keep in mind. At one point, both the Super Air and Air were considered Sport and Super Sport, so if your not dealing w/ pros, they should suit most ages and abilities well...

[lucey]

What kind of wake does the Super throw with no ballast in it. Are you saying if i had an 8 year old the wake might be to big for them. The majority is wakeboarding but the kids like to tube and what not with a little (very little) skiing. I like the larger seating capacity in the VD for sure.

[lucey]

2000 to 2002 Super ?

What were the major differences between the 2000 and the 2002 Super ?

[AbunDiga909]

RE: 2000 to 2002 Super ?

The thing I said about the 8 year old just meant that a Pro Air's wakes are far superiour to an 8 year old's ability. About it being to big, thats an assumption just based on an 8 yr old boarding behind our 216 who couldn't cross the wake b/c it was too big, and it wasn't even a VD.

In '02, the Super Air changed totally and was redesigned. It was redesigned to be now what is the 210, so an '02 Super Air should be the same as a 210. I think the name changed in '03.

As far as the '00 and '02 Super's are concerned, all I can say is that the '02 Super has the hull of the 210, which as you know is pro-quality, moreso than the '00 Super and '00 Pro Air. I don't know how much the hull changed btw the '00 and '02 Super, but like I said, all I know is that the '02 Super is pro quality and the '00 Super can't be that far behind.

I haven't been on a Super much so I can't say much about the wake w/o ballast. Maybe someone who owns one here can chip in. I did skyski behind an '01 Super which is the same boat and I remember being very impressed, and that was at 24 MPH give or take.

[lucey]

Thanks for the info. I will check out the pics of 2000 Super tommorrow and then make a decision. Any other comparable boats to the 2000 Super or is CC the way to go.

[AbunDiga909]

Haha... glad you asked...

Sure... there's comporable boats out there, thats what MC and BU will say... But CC is the way to go!!!

[Laptom]

All "Super" boats from CC from 1995 till 2005 have the same hull (except some minor changes). So the 1995 SuperSport is the same boat as the 2000 or 2002 or 2005 Super Air (a.k.a. 210). In 2002 CC changed the upperdeck of the Super (Sport or Air) with smaller gunnels (more interior room) and another transom (flat in stead of slop). I had a 1997 SuperSport and own now a 2000 SuperAir and there are some minor changes on the hull, and I believe with the same amount of weight the SAN produce a bit better wake. But this could be something between my ears (but other people in our boat say that as well), as I didn't compare them at the same day (there was a winter in between). In my believe the Super (Air/Sport) are one of the best boats for wakeboarding ever made.
As far as the Air story goes, the Pro-Air was indeed a wakeboarding only hull. But they only made it from 1999-2001. The Super produced a better wake and made the Pro-Air obsolite (sp?). The Air from 1997-2001 was the same boat as the Super, but only DD. I believe they changed the 2002 Air a bit but they are still great multipurpose boats and if weighted correctly can throw a monster wake.

Good luck with the purchase!

[wakefun]

To back up what Laptom wrote. I too own a 2000 SAN that we primarily wakeboard behind. For beginners (kids) the wake with no ballast can be a bit much but that has not slowed us down from teaching lots and lots of people, old and young, to get up and ride. My kids would rather tube behind my buddies CC 216 and the slalom wake behind my boat is just OK but given the seating configuration of the v-drive and how we are 99% wakeboarders - the SAN has worked out very well for us.
Plus, with a some added people and ballast, the wake behind the SAN will impress just about anyone (and make me wish I were 21 again so I could huck myself around without the fear of long term disability...)
If you are able - go out and test drive as many boats as you can. Then make a decision on what best suits your needs.
Good luck and have fun.

[lucey]

Decision Time ?

Okay i have narrowed it down to the 2000 Air Nautique and a 2000 Super Air Nautique. They are both the same color and graphics. The Air has 360hours, the SAN has 260 hours. The Air is fully loaded with a upgraded stereo and perfect pass where as the SAN does not have PP or board racks, regular stereo, but does have a nice bimini, other than that it is fully loaded and mint, serviced by an original dealer. The Air looks nice and is is in excellent condition as well. I just can't decide. The prices are pretty much the same. Here are two pictures of each:

[Rick]

RE: Decision Time ?

How much skiing will you be doing. If more than 25% I'd go with the direct drive Air. The Air will have a good ski wake and a great wakeboard wake. The Super will have a fair ski wake but a perfect wakeboard wake. If tyou buy both we'll all come down for the weekend. Yellow_Flash_Colorz:

[lucey]

95% Wakeboarding, 3% Skiing, 2% Tubing. Love Wakeboarding !! Love the SAN !!!!

[DRAGON88]

The Super Air also has a hull very similar to today's 210

No, it has a hull Identical to all 95-05 Super Sports/ Super Airs. In 01 they moved to the the 3 peice sundeck, in 02 they resdigned the deck to make more room inside the boat, (also got rid of true wrap around seating.) they also started using thicker vinyl. and the transom is squared off vs. being sloped. The hull however has been un touched since 95.

For that percentage of wakeboarding vs everything else the SAN seems like a great match, you can always add PP in the future. It'll run you about 1k.