surprised that the sv211 wake is so big ... slalom mode hmm.

[rmagarel]

Kind of new to the boating world ... i had a searay i/o until last year.

Kids are liking slalom skiing and will probably be getting into wake boarding in the years to come.

I decided to go with this sv211 since it seemed to be the best of both worlds ...

For my six year old ... at 18mph .. man the wake is too big (she has to get pulled over by the neighbours mastercraft (ski boat) or she won't cross the wake.

Pulling the wife in slalom mode ... well she says the searay had a gentler wake (27mph) - she uses 2 skis.

At 32mph .. things get better ...but nothing but complaints when slower.

I guess there is no way to make a wake board configured boat (rear engine) into a slalom boat is there ....


Anybody have similar family complaints?

Can't wait til they all get into wakeboarding....


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[sperbet]

RE: surprised that the sv211 wake is so big ... slalom mode

It sounds like you are going to slow, most slalom above 30. I think any boat will have a decent sized wake at 18 mph. If you are going under 30 with any vdrive you will have problems. I've heard nothing but good things about the 211 for slalom skiing at least as compared to others. If you are going to pull that slow maybe move them out on a longer line

[bkhallpass]

Smagarel,

You're right, it is difficult to create slalom wakes with a v-drive or
wakeboard boat. However,the 211 does one of the best jobs with
that difficult task.

However, you've got to be willing to go slalom speeds. at 32 mph plus
the 211 wake really flattens out.

At 27-30 mph, it is going to be tougher. You might find using a shorter
line is helpful as suggested above. I have found with my V Drive, a shorter line works better at those speeds.

18-22 mph is going to be very tough. These are prime wakeboarding speeds, and you'll get a prime wakeboarding wake. Even using your hydro gate won't help much at these speeds. Here I would think a long line is your best solution.

BKH

[patoloco]

I agree, pretty much anytime someone refers to a boat having a good slalom wake, it will be the with the assumption that they are going typical slalom ski speeds, with the absoluate slowest assumed speed of 30.

My guess would be that the hydrogate barely comes into affect at 18mph.

You could try going faster, as much weight in bow as possible, longer line lengths etc.

[Nautique211]

You are living my parallel life, RMAGAREL!
We also previously had an 89 Searay 18 BROB before we purchased a 05 211. We also thought the 211 had a bigger wake than we expected. Like others, we found that taking 15 feet off and going above 30 MPH makes the wake profile smaller. We sacrifice smaller wakes when we load the boat up with people for lively sunset ski runs, but it’s nice to have the capacity options. I recently had the chance to ski behind a 196 and was floored with the small to nothing wake! The 196 is a great ski boat, but we couldn't give up all of the creature comforts of the 211. All three of my kids (8, 11 and 13) are warming up to wakeboarding; the wife and I are still old school, slalom skiers. We may have to buy a tower in a couple of years for the kids as the dealer predicted. There’s not a better boat than the 211 on the market for our family, we love this boat.

[Mikeski]

Hmmm, unfortunately from what you posted the I/O may actually be a better boat for your needs at this point in time? I believe the 211 is designed to meet the needs of intermediate to advanced wakeboarders and slalom skiers. The wakeplate does a good job of removing the sharp edge off the top of the wake making it softer for slalom skiers but nothing is going to make the wake of a 3800lb V-drive small at speeds below 25mph. Most people in the target market will actually be looking to increase the wake below 25mph not make it smaller.

With that said I grew up behind early 70's Ski Nautiques and fully understand what your child is experiencing. I also used to hear my mother complain about the wakes to my father all the time. I might recommend that you teach your daughter and wife to wakeboard and enjoy the attributes of the boat, not fight the natural dynamics of it.

My wife actually prefers the 211 wake over the 1995 Ski Nautique we owned before it, but I am not sure why. She skis at 26-28mph on a slalom ski. Teach your wife to wakesurf, she'll love it, and the 211 does it well.

Good Luck

[darrel409]

If i was your salesman and you told me what boat you had...ratio of skiing/boarding, ages of kids, ski speeds....i would have reccomended a direct drive like a 206 Air with tsc2 hull. They have a much better wake at slow skiing speeds and about 400 lb. ballast for decent wakeboarding.

[brodie]

Re: surprised that the sv211 wake is so big ... slalom mode

I guess there is no way to make a wake board configured boat (rear engine) into a slalom boat is there ....


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Unfortunately there isn't, just too much weight on the v-drives. The first company to figure out a way to do it will dominate the market. Try shortening the rope to at least 15 off and speed up a little for the wife (@30). For the kids, there isn't much you can do except shortening the rope.
By the way, did the sales person tell you that it was a good slalom boat?

[Dr.John]

Re: surprised that the sv211 wake is so big ... slalom mode

I guess there is no way to make a wake board configured boat (rear engine) into a slalom boat is there ....


:|

Unfortunately there isn't, just too much weight on the v-drives. The first company to figure out a way to do it will dominate the market. Try shortening the rope to at least 15 off and speed up a little for the wife (@30). For the kids, there isn't much you can do except shortening the rope.
By the way, did the sales person tell you that it was a good slalom boat?

Simple physics......I'ts no so much the weight, but where the weight is located. Shove it all the way back and it's gonna plow like a John Deere! :mrgreen:

[gotpwr]

Re: surprised that the sv211 wake is so big ... slalom mode

I guess there is no way to make a wake board configured boat (rear engine) into a slalom boat is there ....

Yep. That's why I will always have a DD. They are so much more versatile. Take all the weight out for skiing, or load it up for wakeboarding.

[brodie]

Re: surprised that the sv211 wake is so big ... slalom mode

[quote="gotpwr"]

Yep. That's why I will always have a DD. They are so much more versatile. Take all the weight out for skiing, or load it up for wakeboarding.

Amen!!

[Laptom]

Re: surprised that the sv211 wake is so big ... slalom mode

By the way, did the sales person tell you that it was a good slalom boat?

It is a good slalom boat! It's the first V-drive which is an approved ski-boat. Off course it isn't as good as the D-drives, but by all means the sales person was right.