flight clip problems

[Rhode]

OF, my only eye that is feeling swollen from daring to challenge CC for being unresponsive and laggard is brown in color. Did you dare question the tow boat Vatican for doing something unholy and get off with a mere blow to the face?

[speck]

wow, holy uproar, i thought that when i tested the 06 210 that the clip mounting was a bit of an oversight, the inner slot being ill fitting with bindings. i mentioned it to the dealer and he just kindof shugged, not knowing what to do. my friend with me thought it was strange that something like that would make it through the design process. with all of you guys raving (sarcasm) about cc responsiveness to customer input and complaints, how did the company win all of those jd power awards?

[Rhode]

J.D. Power's business model is not so disimilar to that of corporate America's so-called credit reporting agencies, Standard and Poor's, Moody's and Fitch. Does anyone remember how these self-acclaimed independent analysts were pumping companies like Enron and Worldcom right up until the day they imploded? Be aware that it is the publicly-traded companies themselves who actually pay for their coverage and ratings, not the investing public. Perhaps, a better comparison of J.D. Power's buisness model (and one which is easier to appreciate) is that of the big accounting firms like the now defunct Arthur Anderson that helped bring us the above-mentioned corporate failures. (In their defense, the credit rating agencies were mostly relying on the accounting firm's bogus financial reporting when telling everything was okey dokey with those engery trading and telecommunications companies.) The government finally made those companies spin-off their consulting businesses because of the obvious conflict that exists when you are being paid big money to serve as both a business partner to a company in the pursuit of higher revenues/profits while at the same working as its mandated-by-law independent auditor whose work investors look to for guideance.

In the situation at hand, I will bet anyone on this board dollars to donuts that the Meloon and Warner families stroke big fat checks to J.D. Powers for all sorts of marine industry research, surverys and other such stuff that should be correctly viewed as both useful information to a boat company and payola for the various awards that are handed out. I got a really good laugh this morning while checking out the marine industry section of J.D. Powers corporate website. While pitching consulting work and syndicated and propriety research to boat companies, there is quote by the Director of J.D. Powers Marine Practice that reads, "Together We Can Grow Boating." Read: Stroke us with a big check and we will give you a big trophy that says your poop don't stink, and which one of your customers will one day waive in the face of another who dares raise issues that suggest that Correct Craft is the fool's gold standard of the tow boat industry.

I am sure there are many good and honest people who work at Correct Craft and like their wakeboard boats better than every other company's boats. There is no question, though, that they can do a better job and a good start would be to not blow off a guy like me who has bought four brand new SANs in the last six model years.

It seems that others on this site immediately stumbled onto the same problems I did with the FCT and Flight Clips after taking delivery of my new boat.

Does anyone else think it was engineering malpractice of the highest order to design the tower and racks so that, even if you did use a spacer, your board would still get ripped up by the lock nut and bolt that protrudes on the inside of the inner-most slot on the Flight Clips? Lucy Lipservice at Correct Craft tried to tell me that my dealer botched the install; notta chance because the mounting holes on the tower are bevelled on the inside and NOT on the inside of the Flight Clips. Again, CC, that's your fix! Let me guess, Usedtissue, the Orlando, FL tow boat Papacy to which you are devout is on top of that, too, after having it brought to their attention nearly two month ago.

Also, has anybody other than me put 25 hours on their 2006 210 and went to change the brake-in oil but was unable to fit the drain hose through stern plug because the brass fitting on the end of the hose is too large or the plug hole is too small?

Lastly, I will say, where is the evidence...

[speck]

good points rhode
i'll watch for the inside bolt on the rack
on my last boat i had to suck the oil out with a pumping device and redirect it into a pan, but it was an inboard, and the hose had no chance of reaching the stern hole

[jzwake]

Loud Noises, I love Lamp, I killed a man with a trident.

CC doesn't care about the general boat buying public, they care about their bottom line just like every other successful company. They just hire people to give us lip service to make us think they care about us.

I find it odd that Usedski registered with planet nautique just to defend CC by spinning the blame. Could usedski be CC's own Head Deflector, Jeff warner?? Hmm. Now that Rhode decided to post on a subject that more involves him then me I will take a back seat and watch.

[Separator]

Also, has anybody other than me put 25 hours on their 2006 210 and went to change the brake-in oil but was unable to fit the drain hose through stern plug because the brass fitting on the end of the hose is too large or the plug hole is too small?

I understand the dealers use the drain hose to draw the oil out of the oil pan with a vac pump from inside the boat.

[Rhode]

Indeed, I am sure many dealers use the drain hose to mechanically draw oil through that hose. I am equally confident that even a greater number of Tom, Dick and Harry boatowners have bought the device that allows them to suck the oil out in such a way and without any dealer handholding. But, what is your point, Separator? Are you just giving me a heads up on the chance that I am living under a rock here in Maryland. Or, are you implying that I should not be indignant that CC botched it such that, for me to change oil the tried-and-true low tech way, I have to remove the brass fitting at the end of the hose and wrap-up a bunch of electrical tape to stop the flow of oil while I push the hose through the stern plug hole?

Anybody seen those Flight Clips spacers that some CC apologist named Usedtissue was sniffling about last week? Nothing has arrived in my mail box.

[keukawake]

I have an 05 210; a relatively early one (ordered Nov 04). The fitting fits through mine just fine. It is a tight fit, and did not go through easily, but then, if they made it smaller/easier to get through, it would slow the flow . . .

I also don't get the issue with the flight clips. Mine are fine. Did they change them for the 06??

Sorry if I missed some details above, I think I develop ADD when reading long rants.

[Separator]

Indeed, I am sure many dealers use the drain hose to mechanically draw oil through that hose. I am equally confident that even a greater number of Tom, Dick and Harry boatowners have bought the device that allows them to suck the oil out in such a way and without any dealer handholding

Yes Rhode I know a few Tom, Dick and Harry boat owners including myself that have spent the $40.00 to buy a vac pump so they can change their own oil without a mess and without dealer handholding. It can even be used on the transmission to pump out that oil @ 25 Hours.

Are you just giving me a heads up on the chance that I am living under a rock here in Maryland.

Rhode I dont think I implied that there is chance you are living under a rock in MD. I was trying to help you by stating a fact of how the drain hose on your engine is easily used to change oil without shoving the hose through the transom plug.

Or, are you implying that I should not be indignant that CC botched it such that, for me to change oil the tried-and-true low tech way,

Rhode, You can be as indignant as you wish but your indignant attitude does not seem to be helping your situation. The attempt to agitate with the tone of your previous post on PN as far as I am concerned is an attempt in self promotion as an expert on everything and an attempt to to make yourself out to be a real Bad A#@. Why you would want to do that on this owners forum is beyond me. Again, your indignant attitude towards CC boats on PN does not seem to be helping your situation!

If things are so bad and you dislike the boat and the company so much why dont you sell or trade your Nautique and purchase a MC or Malibu. They might get everthing right on their boats. I am sure they would love to have a happy boat owner like your self in their camp and writing indignant attitude post on thier respective Owners forums.

Give us all a break and try being NICE.

[speck]

YA :grin:

[Rhode]

Sheep-arator,

Please forgive my indignant tone and for not coming off as a nice guy. I didn't realize that Planet Nautique was meant to be a cyberspace pasture for a docile flock of Nautique-loving lambs to sit at the feet of their CC shepherd, waiting to be fed and swallowing everything put in front of them without thought or reason, while being oblivious to the real and present danger that the shepherd might actually fleece or slaughter them. Did it ever cross your mind why that stick in your CC shepherd's hand is called a "crook?"

Bah, bah, CC sheeple,

Rhode-all-over-you

[OldFart]

Rhode, think ya gotta say the MAGIC word...

[skinautique]

QUOTE:
Also, has anybody other than me put 25 hours on their 2006 210 and went to change the brake-in oil but was unable to fit the drain hose through stern plug because the brass fitting on the end of the hose is too large or the plug hole is too small?

What have you got? A 10 foot long hose. Last time I checked, the hose would only make it to the center drain plug located in the battery compartment and yes the hose will fit out of that hole.

[ag4ever]

Mine is an '02 SANTE, and the drain hoes would reach the rear plug, and I actually drained the oil that way ONCE. It took for--------------------------------------ever to drain the oil that way.

Besides, I changed my drain - scabbord - bilge plug (whatever you want to call it) with one that has a check ball in it. That way if I do an OOPS by forgetting the plug, I won't fill the boat with water. So now my hose would NEVER fit through the drain hole.

[skinautique]

ag4ever,
they will only reach the rear plug if they are a vdrive like your boat. Yes they can be slow but it helps if you remove the breather hose. You will get a lot more flow that way and of course, the warmer the engine is, the better off you are.