flight clips extention

[AbunDiga909]

My turn:

When a thread that I am not one of the main participants (sp) in gets long to that extent, 5+ pages, in this case, 8 , I'm sure I'm not alone in that I dont' read every little post in it. It is WAY to long to just skim over, and take in everybody's detailed situation. When I was informed that I was asked a question specifically in this thread, I took the time to read this thread from the begining, simple as that, its still nice and short. So FROM THIS THREAD'S GIVEN INFORMATION ONLY, is what I based my response on. I don't think it is right to assume that everyone that read this thread read every post in the 8 pages of the other thread.

With that being said, I'm sorry if I stated the obvious and known, but it should have been re-mentioned in this thread also.

I am not a user of the Flight Clips, nor Spinner Racks, so I really cannot contribute much to this. I can only say what I've seen and heard, which was the fact about the spacer/half-bracket issue....

That's all...

~Austin

[Rhode]

Diga, right on, I knew you didn't have Speck's whole story and that's why I re-posted what he said from his initial post on that long "Build Quality" thread. I didn't pull you into this thread, but once you had been by OF and were subsequently given a more complete story, I was just asking if you had any insight. That's all.

OF, or list guy, you initially wrote: (1) I am 100% confident that this 1/2 bracket is not the CC "spacer"; (2) Money says it has not come out yet vs this fix.; and (3) Someone made a boo-boo. So, as confident as you sounded, I simply tried to draw you out for some specific information and/or a considered opinion as to who was at fault, CC or dealer. However, you admonish me for sounding overly angry, impatient and playing the blame game. Don't get me wrong, I take that as fair criticism, but I still wonder whether your three-point post was an expression of opinion or fact based on other information. I don't think it's fair, though, to throw Speck under the bus. He's just been pointing out what's wrong with the $60K boat he just got and has not been making wise guy remarks about CC.

Enough said, chalk this up to the old addage that everybody who pets this dog gets bitten.

Rhode

[speck]

ok, lets puts some things straight

oldfart, i think that of anyone on this site, with all of the pain in the a** that i have had, i do not promote "anger conversations that seem to be our specialty" i know rhode is pissed about a whole bunch of stuff, but i think that my type of conversation is nowhere near his type of bashing. i have done no bashing or ranting at all, don't lump me in with rhode. i am here for info, plain and simple.

rhode, you admitted in your past theads that you are not very mechanical, so why do you pretend to re-engineer everything for cc? sometimes there are issues that you don't see. when i suggested that CC needed to redesign the clips themselves so that they stood out more, I DIDN'T MEAN FOR THE BOAT OWNER TO DO IT! it was only meant as a way to not have spacers at all. the clips are all hardened and you wouldn't be able to do it anyway. as for the billet piece in the tower, the reason that it is more to the middle instead of on the edge of the tubing is so they can weld both sides of it. if it was on the edge the inside weld would be extremely difficult to impossibe to do right. the welds as they stand are ver low heat with lots of rod.

as for the "spacers" themselves, they were shipped with the boat, not shuved in by my dealer. i sent him the link to this thread and he thought i had done a nice job.

as far as any cc memo, i don't know. as far as being the slickest solution, i don't think so. will it work, yes. will it fall off, only if the billet rips off of the tower, because now it is the weakest link with so much of it machined away. then and only then will the lawsuits start. will you see it much? NO NO NO NOT WITH BOARDS IN THE RACKS SO QUIT YOUR COMPLANING!!

RHODE YOU HAVE SPINNERS ANYWAY AND AS WE ALL KNOW YOU GOT THE DEAL BECAUSE OF THE MISS-TYPED PRICE, SO CONSIDER YOURSELF LUCKY!

don't pycho-analize (yes anal ize, pun intended) this post, go out and get a winter hobby

thank
you

[Rhode]

Like I said, Speck, you're innocent. I feel your pain and was actually on the phone this very morning trying to get one of my wakeboard buddies who is a former NASCAR chassis welder and metal fabricator to make you some legit. aluminum spacers. Unfortunately, I learned that my buddy is getting a knee scoped early this week and he will be away from his shop until late January. If only Velveeta cheese were strong enough to use as a spacer, I'd go out to the grocery store right now and then cut the spacer wth a butter knife and make the holes with a pencil. The skill set needed here ain't rocket science; all that is needed is the spacial comprehension of an todler who plays with wooden blocks and an adult who is familiar with cutting, buffing and drilling aluminum stock with power tools. I'm both, but don't have access to the right ban saw with appropriate blade.

To continue, I'm sorry to have misunderstood what you were saying about bending the Flight Clips. The absurdity of suggesting CC would embrace this sollution as a "fix" to their problem at hand, though, will become self-evident to you when you comprehend that fact that CC welds the stylized '06 billet on the outside of the new 220 FCT tubing and most definately not in the middle of the tubing like on your and my 2006 210 FCT. Like I mentioned yesterday, a CC company officer admitted to me that CC simply botched the welding on the new 210 towers and they should have been put together like the 220. Maybe I should start breaking out some of this dated e-mail... I am "100% confident," like OF said, that '06 210s will be eventually delivered with the new FCT billets welded on the outside of the tubing, just like how the 220s are being delivered now.

Rhode

[speck]

i do believe that having the billet on the outside of the tube is not enough to alleviate the problem. the bindings will still hit the tower because of the close hugging nature of their design, and the wide top of the 06 tower. if i am correct, but i am not sure, because the 05 tower was narrower at the top, the binding would go on either side of the tubing a bit. also, because those clamps were still used, the clips were held off the tower by about 3/4 of an inch.

i wonder if cc laughs alot at these posts, or wishes that we would get a life

[Rhode]

You may very well be right, Speck, about welding the billet on the outside of the tower not working and still needing to be padded out some so that wakeboard bindings do not ride on the tower tubing. But, that would be an improvement to the present situation where, without a spacer, the wakeboard itself rides directly on the tower and makes a jingling racket like a Coinstar machine when the boat is under power and bouncing along the water.

I wouldn't be surprised if CC laughs at these posts; some of this is meant to be funny from my end. They can laugh at me or with me; it's all good. Oh, and you are right about me needing a winter hobby beyond chasing kids who also have cabin fever.

Rhode

[speck]

how old are the kids and what do you do, where do you live?

[Rhode]

My kids are seven and very soon-to-be five years old. The older of the two, my son, got up on a wakeboard when he was four, just before his fifth birthday. I live very near Annapolis, MD and work in the federal government.

Just to keep this post somewhat relevent to the topic at hand, note that it took me four or five hours one day this fall to decipher the Titan/Nautique directions and successfully put together a set of Spinner Racks. I must have put them together and taken them apart three times each before getting it right. The story line here is no different that on most big box kids toys, where it takes forever to put it together, but then you could do a second one in a fraction of the time. The sales manager at my dealer told me that if I sought some "real fun," I should assemble Spinners that fit on Titan Towers where you have to slide all the bits and pieces up the tubing.

Rhode

[Hanshan]

Rhode, I suggest snowboarding as a winter hobby that you might embrace. I'm sure there are some young college kids on your creek who would be more than willing to make day trips to Liberty or other local "mountains."

[Rhode]

Youth triumphs every time to save the old from wasting away. Give me a ring and lets roll.

Rhode

[speck]

that is so funny rhode.
i too have a 5 and 7 year old, the girl is older, and i got the boy and girl up on the "board" this past summer, ages 4 and 6 (birthdays both in october)
too funny
as for the titans up the tower on a titan tower, been there done that on my malibu. yes the round peices must slide up the back leg and go together on the bar.
heres my little one

[Rhode]

Right on, Speck, Ethan holds the handle just like Chad Sharpe; PM me if he is looking to throw sevens and mobe this and that in my creek and adjacent river like that Cannuk or just trying to cool off between day trips to the DC Monuments and Smithsonian Museums.

Rhode

[speck]

you guys were right

ok, here it is from my dealer:

the pic with the half of the 05 bracket is not correct. cc did ship them with the boat, we don't know why. my dealer was out of town when i picked up the boat. i assumed what i did was what was supposed to happen. my dealer did decribe it as a rounded machined piece of aluminum. when i sent him pics and he complimented me on my install, i felt reassured that it was right. he did not mention at that time that the "proper" spacers were still coming.
i did ask after the dealer meeting in florida if my boat would have the updated ballast pumps and the spacers, and he confirmed. so i felt convinced that i was on the right track.
when i emailed him on all the discussion on this thread, he straightened things out. those are not the official spacers, and i have yet to see them.

[Rhode]

Speck, I am glad to hear that CC has read this thread and decided to back away from their initial decision to pass off junky Sanford and Son-looking Flight Clip brackets to use as spacers on miswelded 2006 210 FCTs. Like they say in Washington, DC, there is nothing like the clear light of day to make people to think more clearly. For confirmation on the welding botch job, check out the full page picture of the black/blue 210 Team in the 2006 CC brochure that Jeff Nautique recently posted. You will see that the billet is obviously welded on the outside of the tower tubing.

Rhode

[speck]

rhode, cc did not "take back" anything, i got it wrong, the real spacers have not been sent yet