2014 210 superair

[skifreak67]

hey, i'm looking for some feedback and ideas on this. we sold our beloved 206 last year, bought a VTX as a crossover with extra bags. didn't like it so i traded it back in for a 2014 210 superair with the extra balast bags in it. LOVE the boat since we've decided we don't need to ski anymore (can always bum a pull with one of my neighbors).

question relates to surfing. i'd have liked to get the G21 but didn't have the extra $30k. with lots of people on board or to surf the drivers side the wake seems fine. however, my wife and i like to head out with just our son and daughter so don't really load the boat down. i surf normal (left forward) and just over 200lbs using a 54" diamond daniello but find the wake to be a bit small for me and kinda close to the boat. i'm thinking i can replace the bag on the passenger side with the bag from the 230 as it's bigger then use the 1 setting on the hydrogate to lengthen the wake a bit. i'm not crazy about losing the storage tray that goes in the back though, so thought i'd ask around for ideas. alternately i could put a second bag on top with a manual valve and then pull the tray out when i'm going to use the extra bag.

any thoughts?

[swankster]

Does your boat have the surf system?

[swatguy]

As mentioned if you boat has NSS it will require a different setup than a non NSS boat.

[skifreak67]

sorry, yes we have the NSS in conjunction with all of the factory ballast offered. power doesn't seem to be an issue either - the stock 350 is making lots for us.

[cedarcreek216]

We surf almost every outing with my wife and two kids. Kids weigh about 65 pounds total so really just my wife and I for weighting purposes. To sure regular, or port side, fill up everything including all PNP bags and leave the PNP bag on the starboard, driver's side, empty. Do fill stock starboard tank. The key is now weight. Sounds like you are rear heavy if you have a short wave. Fill center ballast completely and any additional bags you have in the bow. NSS set to 0 for us and hydrogate pulled all the way back. Try speeding up too, should be about 10.5 mph with this setup.


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[lucky7t]

Are you sure nss is engaged ? Not to sound weird but I've forgotten to engage it. We surf stock ballast without pro ballast option all the time on our 12 model

[skifreak67]

thanks for the input guys. we got almost 83 hours on it last year and i really like this boat. with the VTX i had first (20 hours before i took it back) i had the opportunity to really play with nose weight vs. tail weight; it made quite a bit of difference with the extra 550's i had installed in the trunk - problem was that they took up the ENTIRE trunk. great wave if you could figure out how to fine tune it as it was really finicky and my wife and kids couldn't get the hang of it without me around. a lot of guys are putting lead in the nose to bring it down, which i don't really agree with since water is neutral ballast not negative. but i digress.

i do think that there is an opportunity to bring the nose down by putting a bag in the front but one of my goals was to get away from manual pumps and bags throughout the boat when we are surfing. i absolutely love the Nautiques auto fill system and presets (even 1 for floating to facilitate the dogs swimming off of the platform). i know the NSS is engaging as i've double checked it. if i could figure out how to get some weight in the nose then i can counter it with the full sacks in the back; i'm not scared to hit the maximum load on the boat and there is lots of power too. . for the speed we've settled in at 10.8mpg by GPS as the optimum. pics attached - son on left at 6' and 160lbs, daughter on the other side 5'5 and 115lbs, NSS set in middle for left and 1 for right, secondary wake control at 0. you can see the difference from right to left side. i'm normally only filling starboard side 50% - 75% when surfing on the port side. guess i'll just have to wait until spring to find out. i've got to take the boat to the dealer for a couple of warranty repairs such as blown tower speakers so i thought maybe if there was a clear solution i could have it installed at the same time

it could be as simple as accepting a smaller wave and buying a larger board (58"), maybe even a carving board. the G21 is an extra $30k and that's before the US conversion rate crashed......

3 months 'till i launch! in the meantime i'll start saving for the G21 with all the extra tanks.

thanks for the tips.

[cedarcreek216]

You can have a bow sac plumbed in just like your rear sacs. You can either do the arrow sac in the locker or the U sac under the seats and overflow it from the center tank. Very common and the most effective way to eliminate bags on the seat and manual pumps. Wakemakers should have the kit and be able to get you everything needed, or of course your dealer could install it in an hour or two. You really need bow weight to get the wave right with that much weight in the rear.

[Dandy21]

I actually believe that in some cases, people are really overloading their boats to get what they feel is a better wave. We had the opportunity to meet and spend some time with Tommy Czeschin last year - unfortunately the weather did not cooperate to get him on our boat for some pointers. Tommy stated that a few weeks prior he was on a G21 and ran it without filling the center ballast, and suggested trying a little - God forbid I say it - Less Weight, so we tried it. We run a G23 so it is a bit different, but we have found, in a limited amount of time playing with it, that more weight may not be better - granted we are not searching for a competition wave(I know, just waiting for the wrath on this). We run our boat with the surf side full and the opposite side lighter by +/- 400 lbs (either people or water). We typically ran about 25% belly instead of full and at about 11-11.4 MPH - cannot remember NSS settings at this time. I know your 210 is different but your answer may lie in offsetting the surf side weight slightly and playing around with the belly tank percentages and speed. Based on our demos of the 210 & 230, I believe you should be able to produce a satisfactory wave with the stock ballast - it seems that Nautique really did the R&D on weighting these boats with factory ballast. This is all just my opinion however - take it for the little value it is worth.

On a side note - consider getting some PFDs on the riders. I know, I know...safety police.

[skifreak67]

Aha! fantastic tip on the arrow sac. i'll look into it as i hadn't thought of that. i'm thinking the combination of more weight in the front and a higher NSS plus higher wake plate setting to offset it should crisp things up. i don't really use those storage points anyway except for my anchor since stuff gets wet there.

cheers,
doug

[Quinner]

On a side note - consider getting some PFDs on the riders. I know, I know...safety police.

First thought when I saw those pics, yikes!

[cedarcreek216]

I actually believe that in some cases, people are really overloading their boats to get what they feel is a better wave. We had the opportunity to meet and spend some time with Tommy Czeschin last year - unfortunately the weather did not cooperate to get him on our boat for some pointers. Tommy stated that a few weeks prior he was on a G21 and ran it without filling the center ballast, and suggested trying a little - God forbid I say it - Less Weight, so we tried it. We run a G23 so it is a bit different, but we have found, in a limited amount of time playing with it, that more weight may not be better - granted we are not searching for a competition wave(I know, just waiting for the wrath on this). We run our boat with the surf side full and the opposite side lighter by +/- 400 lbs (either people or water). We typically ran about 25% belly instead of full and at about 11-11.4 MPH - cannot remember NSS settings at this time. I know your 210 is different but your answer may lie in offsetting the surf side weight slightly and playing around with the belly tank percentages and speed. Based on our demos of the 210 & 230, I believe you should be able to produce a satisfactory wave with the stock ballast - it seems that Nautique really did the R&D on weighting these boats with factory ballast. This is all just my opinion however - take it for the little value it is worth.

On a side note - consider getting some PFDs on the riders. I know, I know...safety police.

More weight or less weight, the ratio still needs to be the same. While I agree so much weight is not really needed, but if you are weighting the back you must weight the front to get a long and decent wave.

[swatguy]

Wakemakers has the entire kit pre made to add more ballast to the bow. It's called the piggy back system. You just pick what bag you want to add and then get the kit and viola. The bow sac will be plumbed in to you center floor tank and work off your factory pump. Those guys know just about every boat and which bag is best. It took me about 20 min to add mine. Piece of cake. Wakemakers did not recommend the arrow sac for the 210. Reason being is that there would be too much extra material and wouldnt allow you to get it cometely full. The 210 needs more bow weight than just the factory to get the surf wake macking. The weight in the nose will make your pocket much longer and a little less steep. The instructions are a breeze and walk you right through everything. It's one of the simplest mods that every 210 should have.

http://www.wakemakers.com/factory-wa...tique-210-5042

[skifreak67]

thanks again for the tips. and yes, we do wear PFD's - those were "photo ops". even the dogs!