210 vs 220

[Shallowskiff]

I am in the market for a boat. Confused over whether to get a 2006-07 210 or a 220. Love the layout of the 220 but the reviews are so good on the 210.
I want a boat that I can wake surf with but one that I can pull my 5year old granddaughter on a tube. Can you guys that have owed or have driven both boats give me a few reviews of how and why you like one particular model over the other. Looking spend 35,000 to 38,000 max.

[nauty220]

I had an 03 210 and an 07 220. Both are great boats especially with what you are looking to do with it.

The problem with the 220 was with wakeboarding. The boat is very sensitive to weight and I struggled getting a long clean wake on both sides resulting in having to constantly move people around to clean it up. The 220 got a bad rep for that reason imo.


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[NautiqueJeff]

As stated above, the 220 is quite sensitive to weight.

Also, the 2006 210 and the 2007 210 are completely different boats. The 210 underwent a complete remake (hull and deck) for the 2007 year. Many think the 2007 210 is one to avoid due to the engine hump protruding into the seating area (like a 220 or an I/O). In 2008, the deck of the 210 was redesigned again to eliminate that hump. If you buy a 2007 210, talk the seller down for that reason.

[Shallowskiff]

As stated above, the 220 is quite sensitive to weight.

Also, the 2006 210 and the 2007 210 are completely different boats. The 210 underwent a complete remake (hull and deck) for the 2007 year. Many think the 2007 210 is one to avoid due to the engine hump protruding into the seating area (like a 220 or an I/O). In 2008, the deck of the 210 was redesigned again to eliminate that hump. If you buy a 2007 210, talk the seller down for that reason.

Does the hump on a 2007 cause any structural problems long term or just uses up space in the 210. The 2007-2008 210's seem to be just a tad out of my price range but I do like the seat that flips around. Do the 2007 210's have that seating option??

[josemolino]

Hi,
I had a 220 and I managed to solve the weight issue when wakeboarding. I just bought the GPS upgrade for perfect pass (circa 350$ and easy to install yourself) and it completely changed everything. Surf wave is great and given its length and its cavernous trunks, you can better play with weight to make the wake longer (more weight front) or taller (more weight middle & back). Buy and connect all the piggy bags (2 in the back + V underbow + arrow in the ski locker + one brick to compensate) and you´ll have a great surf wave.

[Shallowskiff]

Hi,
I had a 220 and I managed to solve the weight issue when wakeboarding. I just bought the GPS upgrade for perfect pass (circa 350$ and easy to install yourself) and it completely changed everything. Surf wave is great and given its length and its cavernous trunks, you can better play with weight to make the wake longer (more weight front) or taller (more weight middle & back). Buy and connect all the piggy bags (2 in the back + V underbow + arrow in the ski locker + one brick to compensate) and you´ll have a great surf wave.

Was it the GPS perfect pass that fixed the wake problem or adding all the other bags? Thank you for the tips

[hondaprlud]

I am in the market for a boat. Confused over whether to get a 2006-07 210 or a 220. Love the layout of the 220 but the reviews are so good on the 210.
I want a boat that I can wake surf with but one that I can pull my 5year old granddaughter on a tube. Can you guys that have owed or have driven both boats give me a few reviews of how and why you like one particular model over the other. Looking spend 35,000 to 38,000 max.

Since you indicated you want to surf and pull a tube mainly, I don't see why not a 220. You will get a good layout, more room etc.

[NautiqueJeff]

Does the hump on a 2007 cause any structural problems long term or just uses up space in the 210?

No structural issues. Just a weird layout.

[nautiques4life]

I agree with most of the responses here; unless you're super advanced or really picky about your wakeboarding wake the 220 could be a great boat for you. I actually prefer the size and layout (and the trash can) of the 220; but because wakeboarding is my biggest priority I could never own a 220. For a family surfing and tubing an elite pro-level shaped wake shouldn't be your #1 priority, that boat will certainly tow a 5yr old granddaughter. Might consider resale too though; you're going to be reselling to families that tube rather than the core riders market- which could be a good or bad thing, but know that because of its rep even without ever riding it, plenty of people will avoid that boat unfortunately.

[Shallowskiff]

I agree with most of the responses here; unless you're super advanced or really picky about your wakeboarding wake the 220 could be a great boat for you. I actually prefer the size and layout (and the trash can) of the 220; but because wakeboarding is my biggest priority I could never own a 220. For a family surfing and tubing an elite pro-level shaped wake shouldn't be your #1 priority, that boat will certainly tow a 5yr old granddaughter. Might consider resale too though; you're going to be reselling to families that tube rather than the core riders market- which could be a good or bad thing, but know that because of its rep even without ever riding it, plenty of people will avoid that boat unfortunately.

I am definitely not an advanced wake boarder. Is the reputation of the 220 so tarnished that they are hard to sale?

[swatguy]

I literally was in this exact same dilemma last summer. The 210 ended up fitting my needs much better, but thats because I am a wakeboarding "family" with two young girls. We primarily wakeboard and for us this was the selling pont of going 210 over the 220.

1st off though as mentioned there was a huge redesign in the 210 from 06-07. You got an entire new boat in 07 with way more room, a much more versitile wake, and a much better riding open water hull. So you are getting way more boat with the 07 with regards to space, ride and design as well as more of a multi-wakesport wake.. I would ditch the 06 210 and go 07-08-09 for the fact you are wanting to surf. its much more of a direct comparison to the 220 The newer hull surfs 10 fold what the older(pre 07) hull did.

In your case wanting to primarily surf I think the 220 would be the ideal ticket. IT has a bit deeper v on the hull. This is better for surfing, but adds to the reason it's weight sensitive for wakeboarding. The boat produces a great wakeboard wake when weighted evenly, you just have to make sure people are in the right spots. The deeper v hull allows the boat to list a little easier for surfing and requires a little less weight to sink the boat down when compared to the 07-13 210. There is no hull change in the 220. However there was a drive train change from 2006-2007. The prop rotation changed. IF you're a regular foot rider (IE surf the passenger side) you will want to focus on the 2007+ 220 because the prop spin will keep that side a little cleaner. IF you're a goofy footed rider then you will want to ideally find an 06. The 220 is goin to have more storage in the rear trunks which is great for the extra ballast you want for surfing. The prices on the 220 are a bit lower because it was a boat that only had a very short run production wise.

The 07 210 is a unique animal It's top deck style was only produced one year. However the hull ran from 07-2013 This is a great barganing chip and the reason you see 07 210's quite a bit cheaper than the 08's. The hump has nothing to do with its rigidity or makes the boat anymore structurally sound. What they are describing is the fact the rear bench portion isn't a straight across, traditional, v-drive style bench. The motor cutout sections it off a bit. The idea behind this was to give passengers a little more leg room in the cockpit when stretched out for cruising. However it shortened the storage compartments in the back and really "chunked up" the seating. It's just personal taste. However being that you want to surf the smaller storage compartments mean less room for extra ballast.

The 220 I think would be an awesome choice in your price range especially because you are more surf oriented than wakeboard oriented.I dont think you're going to come across very many 210's in the sub 40k range. The 220's will be more in your range. 210's still fetch a bit more money. It's somewhat of a tradeoff. You pay less up front for the 220, but if you ever want to try and sell it outright you may take a hit trying to sell it because its not a hugely popular boat. The 210 will cost more up front but it will be easier to unload than the 220 if that's any of your concern. Either the 210 or 220 will pull tubes and get around the lake equally well. Kind of up to you to pick which you like better. Honestly yourself not being a huge wakeboarder, I dont know that it makes a difference which one you actually choose. The surf wakes are pretty comparable as is the performance for family time. I still primarily wakeboard, throw on a ski, and surf the least..... so the 210 was more versatile for me on the wakeboard and ski side. For you on the surf side both boats would be equal. Find a clean, well maintained 220 or 210 and jump on it you wont regret either.

[Shallowskiff]

I literally was in this exact same dilemma last summer. The 210 ended up fitting my needs much better, but thats because I am a wakeboarding "family" with two young girls. We primarily wakeboard and for us this was the selling pont of going 210 over the 220.

1st off though as mentioned there was a huge redesign in the 210 from 06-07. You got an entire new boat in 07 with way more room, a much more versitile wake, and a much better riding open water hull. So you are getting way more boat with the 07 with regards to space, ride and design as well as more of a multi-wakesport wake.. I would ditch the 06 210 and go 07-08-09 for the fact you are wanting to surf. its much more of a direct comparison to the 220 The newer hull surfs 10 fold what the older(pre 07) hull did.

In your case wanting to primarily surf I think the 220 would be the ideal ticket. IT has a bit deeper v on the hull. This is better for surfing, but adds to the reason it's weight sensitive for wakeboarding. The boat produces a great wakeboard wake when weighted evenly, you just have to make sure people are in the right spots. The deeper v hull allows the boat to list a little easier for surfing and requires a little less weight to sink the boat down when compared to the 07-13 210. There is no hull change in the 220. However there was a drive train change from 2006-2007. The prop rotation changed. IF you're a regular foot rider (IE surf the passenger side) you will want to focus on the 2007+ 220 because the prop spin will keep that side a little cleaner. IF you're a goofy footed rider then you will want to ideally find an 06. The 220 is goin to have more storage in the rear trunks which is great for the extra ballast you want for surfing. The prices on the 220 are a bit lower because it was a boat that only had a very short run production wise.

The 07 210 is a unique animal It's top deck style was only produced one year. However the hull ran from 07-2013 This is a great barganing chip and the reason you see 07 210's quite a bit cheaper than the 08's. The hump has nothing to do with its rigidity or makes the boat anymore structurally sound. What they are describing is the fact the rear bench portion isn't a straight across, traditional, v-drive style bench. The motor cutout sections it off a bit. The idea behind this was to give passengers a little more leg room in the cockpit when stretched out for cruising. However it shortened the storage compartments in the back and really "chunked up" the seating. It's just personal taste. However being that you want to surf the smaller storage compartments mean less room for extra ballast.

The 220 I think would be an awesome choice in your price range especially because you are more surf oriented than wakeboard oriented.I dont think you're going to come across very many 210's in the sub 40k range. The 220's will be more in your range. 210's still fetch a bit more money. It's somewhat of a tradeoff. You pay less up front for the 220, but if you ever want to try and sell it outright you may take a hit trying to sell it because its not a hugely popular boat. The 210 will cost more up front but it will be easier to unload than the 220 if that's any of your concern. Either the 210 or 220 will pull tubes and get around the lake equally well. Kind of up to you to pick which you like better. Honestly yourself not being a huge wakeboarder, I dont know that it makes a difference which one you actually choose. The surf wakes are pretty comparable as is the performance for family time. I still primarily wakeboard, throw on a ski, and surf the least..... so the 210 was more versatile for me on the wakeboard and ski side. For you on the surf side both boats would be equal. Find a clean, well maintained 220 or 210 and jump on it you wont regret either.

Thank you so much. This is great information and what I needed a education on.

[josemolino]

Was it the GPS perfect pass that fixed the wake problem or adding all the other bags? Thank you for the tips

It was the GPS. In fact we wakeboard with different weight loads depending on the rider (from beginners/kids to pro´s). The sacks is mainly for surf and intermediate to pro level.
The main issue is the hull is deep and the perfect pass sensor is too high so when turning or inclining the boat because of the pull, it does not act properly.
GPS solves that

[josemolino]

Another comment for the 220: it is true that the wake is sensitive for wakeboarding and there is a learning curve to control it by doing some tricks such as:
1. assign seats to people so they don´t move around when you´re pulling
2. sit the fat guy in the middle of the rear faced seat (and use him to fine tune it)
3. evenly load the racks with boards.
4. Finally although the wake breaks when pulling aggressively outwards, when you approach the jump inwards it is recomposed. So once you know the wake is going to be there you regain confidence. Nice thing for people that do not know it is that obligues them to cut the wave more precisely...
But of course we are talking about serious heavy loaded wakeboarding, not recreational one

[Northcountry]

If you are willing to do a little travel to get a boat I would search Canada's used market. $0.80 USD/CDN is a nice savings right now. Just did a quick search and saw this - http://www.boatdealers.ca/boats-for-...dorset-ontario
Just a thought.