Question: how to set up 220 to surf?

[jonnydeez]

Just bought an 07 220 TE and want to set it up for surfing. Mainly surfing on port side. It has the hard tanks in the center, and one in each of the v-drive lockers. I think the weight is about 325lbs each hard tank. I would like to know how to set it up for surfing. I have some some fly high bags. I just need to know how many to set up and where to put them for the best results. I have (3) 400 lb. 42"x16"x16" bags, (1) 1100 lb. 50"x24"x24", and (1) 260 lb. 48"x12"x12" bag. Let me know if you have ever set up a 220 and if you have any pictures of the wave.

[josemolino]

You do not need to buy anything. I had different sacs but you can perfectly dial it with what you have.
SETUP: full hard tanks (all)+1x 400 pounds soft in the port side back +1x 400 port side under seats+ 1 x1100 in the middle of bow. If the wake is too long for your taste and you prefer steeper and shorter, reduce weight front or move sac backwards to the center aisle

[swatguy]

Put the 400 on top of the rear surf side tank. Put the 260 in the chase lounge (aka under rear sideseat on surf side) put 2nd 400 in walkway up front. Should be awesome.

If you're feeling froggy lay the 1100 on top of surf side seats.

It's very simple to piggy back the 400's off the rear tanks so they fill from factory pumps. You take the vent line off the tank and run it to the bottom of the sac. Then attach the vent line to the top of the bag with a manual ball valve in the line. The reason for the ball valve is that when you fill the bag on top of the tank part of the bag will be above the vent hole and gravity will cause it to siphon out. However close the ball valve after it's full and bag will stay full. To empty again just hit empty on your pump. That's now all fully automated. You can do the same off the center tank to the bag you put in the walkway minus the ball valve.


Wakemakers sells the Nautique piggy back kits with everything you need. Tell them you're a Planet Nautique member and you get 10% off

[jonnydeez]

I'm going to try it out this weekend. I like your idea about piggybacking the hard tank with the bags. Didn't think about the ball valve...good idea.

[josemolino]

Look in the forum or in wakemakers.com. There is a highfly package for the 220 with instructions and drawings.
However, you will need to buy one extra V shape sack for the bow (under seats) + arrow shape bag for the ski locker. By now, the sacks you have are perfect to learn and tune it to your taste.
One comment regarding 220vs 210 setup. 220 is a deeper V hull and longer boat than the 210 so it requires more weight in front

[jonnydeez]

There are a few different bow sacs that wakemakers sells? Does anyone know the one that fits the best under the bow seats. As for the ski locker which arrow sac fits the best?

[jonnydeez]

Also, should I upgrade the prop for the extra weight I will be adding, or is the stock one ok? I have the ZR6 engine.

[swatguy]

What prop is on there. Should be stamped on the prop

If you're just surfing the stock prop will work. Sure getting a little more aggressive prop will always help, but get the ballast figured out and configured first. If you are going to be wakeboarding with the extra weight you're gonna want a new prop for sure.

As for the arrow sac. I would call wakemakers. The arrow sac that was referenced was designed for the 230. So they may just recommend stuffing one of your 400's in there. The integrated bow sac is what is going to fit under those bow seats however the space under the seats in Nautique 's is not super deep so in my opinion I would just run a sac out in the open in the walkway.

[josemolino]

please find attached the diagram for the 220. In addition of the V sac for the bow the arrow sacs fits ok in the ski locker

[jonnydeez]

Prop is ACME 645 (13.25 x 16 LH 4 BLADE) Won't be able to test the bags this weekend. There's rain in the forecast.

[swatguy]

Double post

[swatguy]

Oh yea you're definitely going to want a different prop. That prop is awful with any kind of weight, you're hole shot will not be good. That particular prop was designed to push the 220 around empty with no ballast and give it great unweighted performance.

You will want the Acme 1235 for your boat to push the weight. That prop you have on there now will not be fun to get out of the hole weighted up.

[jonnydeez]

Thanks for the info swatguy. I've got the ZR6 motor. When I barely tap the throttle it yanks. Does the bigger motor help the holeshot? Will I still be able to get up on the board with the stock prop? I will probably upgrade the prop later, but I want to see if the stock one is ok for now.

[jonnydeez]

I bought some more bags to play around with I was finally able to start dialing in the surf wake. I found a 750# and 260# for $100 for both, so I couldn't pass it up. I now have (3) 400 lb. 42"x16"x16" bags, (1) 1100 lb. 50"x24"x24", (1) 750 lb. 50"x20"x20" and (2) 260 lb. 48"x12"x12" bags.

I had 4 adults and 2 kids on the boat, so I only filled one bag. I filled the port side and belly hard tanks full and added the 750 soft bag to the port side locker. I had all the adults sitting in the seats on the port side and the kids sitting in the bow. I am new to wake surfing, and was able to surf with this setup with out the rope (1st time). The wave was steep and kept me in the pocket, but it seemed to be pushing me close to the platform. I would like the wake to be longer.

I didn't have any issues with stock prop. The driver just set up the perfect pass to 11ish mph and floored it when taking off. The hole shot seemed to be good for me. Pulled me out gradually, but I was able to get up quick.

I plan to remove the hard tanks in the rear and set the 1100 in the port locker, the 750 in the starboard locker, 400 under the seats, 260 in the belly locker. I want to plumb all of these so I will not have to use the manual pump.

Where should I put the other bags to get the wake longer?

[jonnydeez]

I made a little progress today. I found a left over FlyHigh 1" quick release connect and 1" flow rite quick release from a previous ballast build and so I piggybacked the port side. I was previously using the tsanami manual pump to add water to the bags. It took about 15 minutes to disconnect the stock vent from the side thru hole, reroute the hose and add the quick connect. I need to order some more ballast fittings and supplies, but this should work better than the tsunami in the mean time.