weighting and rope length?

[reastwood79]

What is a good rope length behind the 210 and how is everyone weighting their boat to get maximum optimal wake?

[Sbt3]

RE: weighting and rope length?

I think alot of that will depend on your ability and personal preference.
I ride with 2100lbs of ballast plus usually 3-4 people in the boat, Speed at 24-25 and rope length at 80 plus the handle so total 85. This is the setup that I like best. Most people ride the 210 with pretty long rope because the wake is pretty narrow. I prefer to go wake 2 wake, it is easier on my legs.

[crowmobe540]

RE: weighting and rope length?

Sbt3,
I disagree a little. I have found that if you ride past 75 ft that the wake begins to curl a little to much. That is probably why you are riding so fast. I ride at 75 ft and most of the people that go on my boat take ride at that (even if they ride at 80 behind other brands) for this reason. I usually put the team edition ballast, plus a 350 on each side of the engine (on top of the tanks) and then a 350 in the walk through and a 350 in the bow, plus about 200 lbs of lead and between 4 and 8 people. I usually ride between 21.7 - 22.7. This is my preference. You just have to mess with it and see what you like the best.

[ihaveansv211]

Re: RE: weighting and rope length?

Sbt3,
I disagree a little. I have found that if you ride past 75 ft that the wake begins to curl a little to much. That is probably why you are riding so fast. I ride at 75 ft and most of the people that go on my boat take ride at that (even if they ride at 80 behind other brands) for this reason. I usually put the team edition ballast, plus a 350 on each side of the engine (on top of the tanks) and then a 350 in the walk through and a 350 in the bow, plus about 200 lbs of lead and between 4 and 8 people. I usually ride between 21.7 - 22.7. This is my preference. You just have to mess with it and see what you like the best.

does ur bow sink in the water when u come to a stop? thats a lot of weight.

i have the 211 and i found that anything past 75 ft i too curled as well, it doesnt help going any faster either. i ride at about 70 ft at 19.5-20.5 with 750 lbs of balast on each side of the engine. i found that this is a perfect setting for me. if i jump with medium power i will clear the wake perfectly, but if i charge at it hard ill go flying into the flats.

[ag4ever]

RE: Re: RE: weighting and rope length?

Wow crow, thats almost 2500 lbs + 1000 in people. I think the most I have ever had was 1800 lbs + 1600 in people, and the nose like to dip a lot, and it was terrible to handle ie. no steering.

[FRG]

Riding ability is key! Depth of water will change the shape and size. This in mind, it's different for everyone. I ride in 6-8 ft of water, with 3 people and about 350 lbs of lead in the bow and 200 lbs in the stern + stock ballast at 22-23 mph, my rope length is 80 ft. More people and weight 85-90 ft. People that have many years of riding (pros) give the advice that you shouldn't compensate boat speed to clean up a wake, they also say while your learning and not "showing off" a "huge" wake is unnecessary, it's much harder to learn the correct form and technique. This all being said, go from stock ballast and your normal rope length, to whatever you desire.

The only time I've seen a SANTE wash out was with 11 people and no ballast.

[Sbt3]

If I was going in the 21-23mph range I would probably ride at 70-75 plus the handle. I prefer the speed faster which is why I go 24-25mph. I have a friend who likes to ride at the 26-26.5 mph range on my boat. We are both good riders and have been riding for around 10 years.
It's really all personal preference and seeing what works best for you. When riding slow I feel I need to work much harder to generate speed and pop. Going 25 I can start 8-10 feet out of the wake and throw a Wake to wake, roll to revert with no problem. I think generally the pros tend to ride at least 23mph and up. Some as high as 27-28. Not too many that are riding at 21

[bkhallpass]

I think FRG and Sbt3 have it right. You need to experiment a bit based upon your abilities, preferred speed, and comfort level.

It seems to me that at the pro-level, the quest for huge air and big tricks has changed the riding style, preferred speed, preferred wake size, and preferred rope length in the last few years. Weighting of boats, and advances in equipment have also allowed for larger wakes and the abilities to handle them. The pros can do advanced trick off a ski wake and a tow pylon. However, they go fast, over huge wakes, on long lines to add that second or third rotation, second flip, and to get really, really, big air. To me, it's almost like they are using a moving ski ramp, rather than the natural pop of a traditional wake. Not that it's a bad thing, just an observation.

BKH

[Rhode]

210; two people in boat with total weight of 350 lbs.; factory three tank ballast w/ wedge tanks in back; 350 lbs. each side of engine; 350 lbs. laying in bow; 22.7 MPH; 75' of line, which includes the handle's 5' = Perfect for Me

Rhode

[sperbet]

completely depends on skill level

[wakefun]

Sperbet is right, IMO. However, for someone like me - old but thinks he is young - I ride with the stock ballast (just the 2 factory tanks in the rear on a 2000 SAN), 500# in the ski locker and 4-6 people, usually. I ride at 23mph with 75' of rope including handle. My son, who is young, rides at 24 mph and 75-80' - depending on how he feels. The wake is very nice at those speeds and boat weight. If I have someone who really wants it huge, we toss a few 100 more pounds in the rear and maybe a 100 or so in the bow. But then the boat drives like a pig and speed (faster) becomes much more important.
Hope that helps.

[dave210]

I have an 02 210 I run tanks in rear, full fat sack in ski locker full sack in walkway so lets say 1600 +1200 in people at 26 on the perfect pass at 85 long boat drives much better with weight in front I also have the smallest of the three acme props [cant remember the number] burns lots of fuel but who cares the wake is killer.I also ski fast because of my size and long rope

[Cisco-Kid]

I also have the V-Drive Locker Wedge Sacs, and will be plumbing them in to the factory ballast soon. No HUGE hurry here in Michigan :-( In any case, I think I want to go with about 300LBS-350LBS of Lead in the Bow as well

My Question is for the people that are using Lead... How are you SECURING the lead in the BOW so it does not bounce around, shift, etc? What size Lead Bars work best? Any sources for buying them?

I am anxious to get started on the project, but want to do it right... Thanks in advance!

[nautique95]

If you can find some weights off the front of tractors work great, usually around 100lbs. and they have handles to make them easier to carry and lift.

[ag4ever]

Have you held a 25 lb lead bar?

That thing is so friggin heavy for it's size it just won't go anywhere.

I just lay them down where I want them, and when I go to get them out they are always where I left them.

Most source the lead from tie stores. Just leave a bucket there and ask them to throw the old lead in the bucket.

I got mine from work (medical radiation shielding prior to it being used as shielding ie scrap during the installation).